It’s November! One more month-ish until the Wind and Truth release! It’s also Monday which means, dearest Sanderfans, that is time for another Wind and Truth read-along discussion! ::fanfare::
Last week we dove into chapters 25 and 26, with Dalinar, Navani, and Wit, and also some thrilling Shallan shenanigans… that girl, always getting mixed up with dangerous secret societies. ::shakes my head:: This week, we’re spending time with young Szeth, picking up where we left off with Shallan, and checking in on the buddy-cop adventure unfolding in Shinovar in chapters 27 and 28. That’s so much happening already, right? But we’ve still got a month to go, friends! And we are loving that we get to share these initial chapters with you, so let’s get to it…
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Paige’s Summary and Commentary
Chapter 27 is titled “What is Right” and it’s another Szeth flashback. Remember, he’s 11 years old and has just discovered a new rock on his family’s homestead. (Well, Molli the sheep discovered it. I guess her licking it wasn’t desecrating it.) So now, Szeth’s father, Neturo-son-Vallano is inspecting the rock as they wait for Szeth’s mother, Zeenid-daughter-Beth to arrive. Szeth, who’s fearful, asks his father if they’ll have to tell the Stone Shamans about the rock and he doesn’t get a straight answer… His father just tells him that it depends. Wait, what? It depends? On what? And here we see Szeth wishing he hadn’t found the rock, for though it will surely be cause for celebration, it could mean change and he doesn’t want change. He loves his life as it is, and my heart aches for this younger, more innocent Szeth who was capable of love.
Neturo says that the Stone Shamans may decide to close off the area, in case more stones appear. That they would have to tear down their house and possibly move to the town. Szeth doesn’t seem overly fond of the town; he likes how he can see the mountains and smell the sea breeze from their homestead. Szeth’s sister Elid says that she doesn’t want to move, that they shouldn’t be punished for finding a rock. Szeth, however, keeps going back to how they must do what is right. If it’s right that they have to move, then that’s what they’ll do.
Then Zeenid arrives and Szeth is shocked to see her carrying a Soulcast shovel. She says that they’ll relocate the rock a few hundred yards away and Szeth is appalled that she’s going to touch the rock. But she brought gloves! No need to touch any sacred rocks here, son! But Szeth asks his father if they can really do this and he says that it depends on what Szeth thinks, since he found the rock. Oh, great idea… Put the decision in the child’s hands. Well, the child says he’ll do what is right and his father counters with asking if losing their home is right. Dude. So not cool.
Szeth brings up the stonewalkers, stating that they’re hated because of how they treat rocks and his father gently corrects him, saying they just don’t know the right way. Elid pipes up, saying that the stonewalkers raid them and Neturo concedes and says that those men are evil but not because they walk on stone but because of the choices they make. Then he tells Szeth that they can move the rock if that’s what Szeth wants to do. Szeth asks if his father can’t tell him what to do and is told that no, he must make the choice but that Neturo will accept whatever Szeth decides. Szeth says they can move the rock.
All three of them relaxed as he said it, and he felt a sudden—shameful— resentment. His father said Szeth could choose, but they’d all clearly wanted a specific decision. He’d made it not because it was right, but because he had sensed their desires.
Szeth didn’t understand how they could all relax when it wasn’t right to move the rock. He wonders if he is somehow broken and thinks that if that’s what they had all wanted, why hadn’t they just done it instead of making him choose? …You’re killing me, here, Brandon!
So Zeenid digs out the rock, scraping the Soulcast shovel against it several times and each time, Szeth cringes at the sound. She reveals an 8-inch gray rock which Szeth thinks could fit in his hand. As they all stare at the rock, a horn sounds. It’s a raid—stonewalkers have reached the coast. Neturo tells Seth they must move the sheep inland, away from the sea, and Zeenid plucks the rock from the ground and hides it in a nook amongst the roots of a nearby tree.
And then… ha-ha-ha… the chapter ends. I guess we should’ve seen that coming!
Chapter 28 is titled “Obstacle” and we’re back with Shallan, newly discovered by her Ghostblood enemies, as she calls her armor spren to her and pursues Iyatil, summoning Pattern as a blade and Testament as a shield. It’s quite a striking scene if you take the time to picture it: Shallan… Radiant… whoever… resplendent in red Shardplate with a Shardblade and a Shardshield. Damn, girl! Get it!
She pursues Iyatil back into the main room and, of course, Mraize shoots a freaking bolt at her with his handheld ballista. She easily deflects it but wonders what would happen if a bolt containing an anti-Stormlight gem were to hit one of her shards. (What would happen, do you think Sanderfans?) Well, we won’t find out because when Iyatil takes the ballista from Mraize and shoots an anti-Stormlight bolt at Shallan, she dismisses her Plate and both of her spren and just… takes the bolt directly to her side! And it injects anti-Stormlight into her body! Eww. What the crem? Pardon me while I go wash my hands because, gross.
Before she got shot though, Shallan told Mraize and Iyatil that she has seen Mishram and that they would not survive finding her. It was definitely an interesting moment, one that caught Mraize off guard; he was definitely not expecting that reveal.
Iyatil grabs a knife and intends to finish Shallan off, but is interrupted by the ceiling melting. Lo and behold, a Stoneward has made their way into the chamber accompanied by Windrunners… here to save the day. ::more fanfare::
POV shift!
Szeth has just finished telling Kaladin a bit of his childhood (double flashback duty!) and then he goes all shy and quiet and refuses to continue. Typical assassin.
They come to a place where they can see green fields and towns laid out before them… and it’s beautiful. But against the mountains in the distance, they see an unnaturally dark, shadowy place along a rise. Szeth reveals that it’s a monastery, dedicated to Taln the Herald, and it has a Darkness about it. Kaladin worries that an Unmade is housed there and they decide to make camp for the night so they can approach the monastery during daylight.
Kaladin suggests starting a campfire though Szeth resists. But Kaladin feels like Szeth needs a little bit of Bridge Four camaraderie to come out of his shell. Do you think it’ll work, Sanderfans? A campfire, a little stew, and maybe Szeth will just BOOM… open up and accept Kaladin’s therapy? What say you?
Let us know in the comments, where you can share all the juicy theories you now have, or just talk about the feelings these chapters gave you!
Lyndsey’s Commentary
Chapter 27’s chapter arch Herald is Ishi (Ishar), Herald of Luck, patron of the Bondsmiths in all four spaces. His attributes are Pious/Guiding and his role is Priest. It makes a LOT of sense for Ishi to be the Herald of this Szeth POV flashback, as the entire chapter is about piety.
Chapter 28’s Herald of choice for the chapter arch, in all four spaces, is Chana, (Chanarach), Herald of the Common Man and patron of Dustbringers. Her attributes are Brave/Obedient and her role is Guard. Kaladin’s certainly acting the guard in this chapter, and Shallan’s being brave in standing up to the Ghostbloods.
I do not have answers, and there will always be some who denounce me for this decision I made. But let me teach a truth here that is often misunderstood: sometimes, it is not weakness, but strength, to stand up and walk away.
—From The Way of Kings, fourth parable
I honestly don’t have much to say on this one. I don’t think these bits of parable are related to the chapters they precede, so much as that they’re meant to be taken all together. Once we have the full picture, I’ll quote them all together and we’ll see what we can glean from them…
Szeth
Something new meant possible celebration, possible attention, possible change. He preferred quiet days full of languid breezes and bleating sheep.
Poor Szeth. We know, from where he is now, that everything is going to change for him. He’s going to lose his family. His culture. His way of life. His innocence. Everything about his life that he loves as a child will be irrevocably taken from him.
All three of them relaxed as he said it, and he felt a sudden—shameful—resentment. His father said Szeth could choose, but they’d all clearly wanted a specific decision. He’d made it not because it was right, but because he had sensed their desires.
Ah, a difficult ethical dilemma, and a difficult place to be put in for such a young child. Should the will of the people supersede the divine?
As to his abhorrence of making decisions in general… We still see this inclination in Szeth in the present. He prefers to be told what to do. And in a way, who can blame him? If you’re not the one making the decisions, the responsibility for said decisions can’t be laid at your feet.
We show devotion because we choose to. And so, the kind of devotion we make is ours to decide.”
“Don’t the Stone Shamans tell us what to do?”
“They share the teachings of the spren,” Mother said, as she shouldered the shovel. “But we interpret those teachings. What we’re doing here today is reverent enough for me.”
Taking the holy word of your religion and interpreting it how you wish is something that we see in the real world in almost every organized religion. It’s why there are so many variations of Christianity. The very nature of the written (or spoken) word is such that it’s open to interpretation. But of course, this goes against Szeth’s nature. He wants everything to be black and white, to be told what to do, to not have responsibility thrust upon his shoulders. But life is never that simple, and we rarely get what we want.
Szeth trailed off, having told Kaladin a little about his family as they walked through the forest for a few hours. A story of the discovery of a rock, told in fits and starts.
So the flashback we’re seeing is Szeth telling his own story to Kaladin. I’m honestly surprised that Kaladin’s managed to get this level of openness from him so swiftly, but I’m also happy to see it, for Szeth’s sake. He’s kept his trauma and pain bottled up for so long, with no one to listen to him. He needs this. He needs a friend.
Thankfully Szeth joined him, and offered no further complaint about a cookfire. Because Kaladin needed this man to open up.
And he figured he’d try an old standby.
Ah, yes. The good old stew trick, of course. It’s nice to see that Rock’s legacy lives on, regardless of where he is…
Shallan
She would not ask Testament to kill again. Shallan reached her left arm to the side, and Testament appeared as a powerful shield, affixed to her arm, light as a cloth glyphward.
Okay. That’s really cool. I’m also really glad to see Shallan being as sympathetic and understanding as she currently is. She’s really taking the time to think about her actions and how they’re affecting those she cares about.
She almost drew in Stormlight, but forcibly stopped herself.
I’m so impressed with her growth. She’s always been smart, of course, but this cool-headed analysis of the situation and doing the right thing—scientifically—in the heat of the moment is incredibly impressive.
Cultural Analysis
“I always thought there couldn’t be trees outside Shinovar,” Szeth said, Stormlight escaping his lips. “How could they grow in a land with no soil?”
“And I,” Kaladin said, “never imagined you’d have them here. With nothing for their roots to grip.”
I feel like there’s a deeper meaning here. Maybe it’s just the English Major in me looking for symbolism, but the lack of soil in Szeth’s perspective could also be symbolic of his peoples’ view that the Stonewalkers lack virtue. How can goodness “grow” in a land with no adherence to divinity? On Kaladin’s side, the Alethi seem to view the Shin as very wishy-washy, almost childlike. This makes sense, from a culture that holds war and battle in such a high regard, when looking at a pacifist culture. How can their culture “grow” when they have no strength, no bedrock of war upon which to base themselves?
Drew’s Commentary: Invested Arts & Theories
While Szeth’s flashbacks have started off relatively slow (when it comes to the magic and lore of the world, at least), things are starting to heat up a tad. It’s helped by the direct connection drawn between the flashback and Szeth’s conversation with Kaladin as they head into Shinovar.
“That darkness,” Kaladin said, “reminds me of the darkness around the Kholinar palace. An Unmade lived there. You really met one here, in Shinovar?”
And so we begin with the Cleansing of Shinovar plotline. Readers have been theorizing about what’s going on in Shinovar for ages now, and the Unmade have always been the leading possibility. But which Unmade are we dealing with here?
A few of them can be crossed off the list straight away: Sja-anat, Ba-Ado-Mishram, and Nergaoul have all been busy elsewhere, as have Re-Shephir, Ashertmarn, and Yelig-nar. That leaves us with three potential culprits: Moelach, Dai-Gonarthis, and Chemoarish.
Moelach is probably another one we can rule out, but it’s not a for-sure thing. Moelach, the Unmade that causes the Death Rattles, is known for moving around—and in fact Szeth notes in both The Way of Kings and Rhythm of War that Death Rattles were at one time common in Shinovar. But this taint on the region seems more permanent than Moelach would be capable of.
Then there’s Chemoarish, the Dustmother. We know basically nothing about her, except that, according to Hessi’s Mythica, she’s not one of the mindless Unmade. This is actually pretty noteworthy, since the three mindless Unmade are all one-word names (Nergaoul, Moelach, and Ashertmarn), and the more aware/sapient of them have hyphenated names (like Sja-anat and Ba-Ado-Mishram). So Chemoarish already holds a strange place in the pantheon of Unmade. I think we should be keeping an eye out for any signs of dustlike phenomena, whether in Shinovar or elsewhere.
The final potential Unmade culprit is Dai-Gonarthis, who according to Hessi may not even be one of the Unmade, but also might be responsible for the Scouring of Aimia. To me, this is a possible red flag waving, as what happened in Shinovar is still such a mystery…but maybe it’s another “Scouring” in progress?
Oh, and another long-lasting mystery? Taln’s Honorblade. Ever since it disappeared en route to the Shattered Plains after the epilogue of The Way of Kings, people have been feverishly guessing about what happened to it. One of the leading theories is that the Shin Stone Shamans figured out that Taln was back and went to get their mitts on it.
“Talmut’s”, Szeth said. “You call him Talenelat, or Taln. Stonesinew, the Bearer of Agonies.”
If the disappearance of the Honorblade was indeed the doing of the Stone Shamans, we’re gonna find out sooner rather than later. If not, one of the most contentious mysteries of The Stormlight Archive will live on!
Meanwhile, back on the Shattered Plains, Shallan is dealing with a new set of problems. Not only are the Ghostbloods (at least some of them) now bonded to Enlightened Radiant spren, but they have one heckuva weapon for taking down Radiants like Shallan, Testament Shardshield or no.
What would happen if anti-Light met a Shardweapon?
Shallan might be wondering about this, but this is a nice bit of dramatic irony. We already know what happens when this stuff comes into contact with a spren, and it’s not pretty. It was a great call to dismiss both Testament and her Plate before the bolt connected, to be honest. I can’t imagine an anti-light mini-ballista would have treated either of those very well. And speaking of great calls by Shallan, it was probably a clutch decision to not give in to either the urge to draw Stormlight to heal or to suck in the anti-Light that punched through her.
Then there’s this:
Then [Mraize], Iyatil, and Lieke—who had been lingering—vanished. The air around them warped with a light tinged black-violet, and they were gone.
There are a few potential possibilities for what this is. Clearly there’s something weird with their Surgebinding, given the Enlightened spren angle. Thus, the black-violet thing, which is reminiscent of Voidlight. But what did they even do? Was this a weird Lightweaving? Or is one of them an Elsecaller? We really haven’t seen much of Transportation, but the epilogue of Words of Radiance does give us one clue.
The air in front of him blurred, as if heated in a ring near the ground. A streak of light spun about the ring, forming a wall five or six feet high. It faded immediately—really, it was just an afterimage, as if something glowing had spun in the circle very quickly.
This doesn’t sound exactly like what Mraize and Iyatil did, but it’s pretty close, yeah? Especially with the differences brought through the Enlightened bond. What do you think? Are the Ghostbloods Lightweaving or Elsecalling here?
Fan Theories
Daxelkurtz on Reddit says this:
This is probably very silly, but I wonder if “Unite Them” is about to happen in another way. I wonder if the three Bondsmiths are about to meet, for the first time in many millennia: Dalinar, bonded to the Stormfather; Navani, bonded to the Sibling; and Ba-ado-Mishram, bonded to the Nightwatcher.
This week’s “Reddit comment that made Lyn crack up” goes to the aptly named laughinglord with this gem: **
I will always have a soft spot for Kelsier. But damn buddy, choose better people in your crew. Mraize is a trigger pull away from becoming a moustache-twirling villain!
Also, before anyone comes across this sentence from the end of chapter 27 and notes it as a typo:
They don’t reverence stone or the spren who live within them.
We assure you, coming right from Dragonsteel, that the wording is intentional.
We’ll be keeping an eye on the comment sections of posts about this article on various social media platforms and may include some of your comments/speculation (with attribution) on future weeks’ articles! Keep the conversation going, and PLEASE remember to spoiler-tag your comments on social media to help preserve the surprise for those who choose to wait for the full release. See you next Monday with chapters 29 and 30!
What makes Mraize so bloody frustrating is that he is so likeable. He could’ve murdered shallan and her spren with the anti-stormlight, but chose to do a simple crossbow instead.
Also, did they disappear into shadesmar first? Is that how they are hitching a ride with Dalinar? Catching him “on the flip side” if you will.
Yes, they explicitly said they needed to get to Shadesmar as part of getting into the spiritual realm via Dalinar’s perpendicularity.
It’s a little less clear whether they went directly to Shadesmar for their escape, since the lair is in Narak which is not actually close to Urithiru (where Dalinar is).
I wonder if there could be some link to whatever is darkening Taln’s shaman house and his diminished mental capacity. So we’ve seen small lucid moments from him. Maybe it’s not just from millenia of torture.
If that was a Lightweaving, it would imply that Mraize and co. are still in the room, just invisible, which I don’t think Shallan would’ve fallen for. So that must’ve been Transportation.
And from what we saw from Lezian last book, Transportation doesn’t seem be let to travel far enough to be useful here under normal circumstances, so I’d bet they retreated into Shadesmar.
Certainly it implies that theyt’re not Truthwatchers, though. Elsecallers makes more sense than Willshaper, but either way this is the first time we’ve seen Enlighted Radiants that aren’t Truthwatchers.
100%, it isn’t anything like any lightweaving we’ve seen and absolutely was elsecaller transportation. Jasnah had the only inkspren but after adolins trial and the truth came out, more will begin to bond and considering their pragmatism and pure logical approach I could see them getting enlightened by Sja and bonding the GBs.
Yeah, I am also on board with the elsecaller interpretation. The WoR epilogue shows the arrival rather than departure, so it remains pretty plausible to me even if the visual descriptions are a bit different.
Personally, I hope that Shallan is wrong about how vulnerable physically manifested Spren are to anti-Light. Because it should have become trivially easy to defeat Radiants if she is right and the Coalition is in a sufficiently underdog position already. Also, we know that the Radiants continue to be powerful and dangerous in the future, as seen in TSM.
And yes, it seems that the enlightened spren of the Ghostbloods have Transportation and that they used voidlight to fuel it.
I am disappointed by continued lack of Metallic Arts among the Ghostbloods, though. Also, is Mraize being set up for a face turn?
We also know that Ilatyil at least is from silverlight with southern scadrian heritage, not Scandriel itself. so it’s possible that none of her people are mistings. and like Jacob said, the southern actually find mistings rare. it also makes sense why they are looking to bond: maybe they didn’t have powers at all, so are trying to make up for it. the only one with Investiture could have been Felt and Felt doesn’t like this group anyway.
I agree with you about the lack of metallic arts. It kinda makes sense though becuase in mistborn era 2 the souther scadrians admit to not having many mistings or ferrings so they should be rare. It is also possible that the rosharan division of the ghostbloods are made up of actual rosharans instead of scadrians, I think that Mraize is rosharan with his thaylen heritage. So it could be that there arent many scadrians on roshar, therefore fewer metallic arts.
Even though they’re silver lighters with southern Scadrial heritage, they’re still part of a Scadrial centric organization even if they’re mostly a rogue cell. this is only a decade before TLM so they should definitely have access to unkeyed metalminds i, so just steel and non conbat feruchemy..but Mraize absolutely would not balk at using hemalurgy spikes either.
The entire core group close to Kel in TLM all had powers, so id assume they would too as worldhoppers, but who knows.
But Kelsier isn’t opposed to hemalurgy, when a donor deserves it in his opinion, or is terminal and consents, so you’d think that his top agents on major worlds would have some spikes. Not to mention medallions and allomantic grenades. And guns, if they are safe to use in Roshar’s oxygen-rich atmosphere.
Oh, and that retired Kholin steward, who was clearly a ferring, has been murdered by Mraize via what looks very much like spiking. The one whose Aviar Lift rescued, I mean.
And sure, most of those Ghostbloods present appear to be locals, including Mraize, but at least 3 of them clearly aren’t.
Spiking is actually very particular remember. you had to spike a body at the death of a misting and the investiture does leak out of the spike the longer it is left out of a body, losing it’s potency it is entirely possible that the spikes can’t make the transfer; otherwise, Kelsier would have use the spikes to get off Scadriel.
I don’t understand – Iatyl had clearly visited Scadrial. How else would Kelsier have been able to vet her and make her his point woman on Roshar? Which is when she should have received her spikes.
We know that spiked people can leave Scadrial, as TLM showed us MeLaan doing exactly that.
I wonder how dangerous the anti-light bolt actually would be to spren as shards. When we saw it working in RoW, it was injected straight into phendorana (sp?) when she was an invisible, intangible spren if I remember rightly – there was no barrier for the dagger to pierce.
I feel like the siphoning would only work once the tip of the bolt has pierced the spren – and the tip of the bolt is just normal metal. Surely it would just bounce off before any transference of anti-light could happen?
I’m sure we’ll see it happen at some point in the book and that will settle it either way.
Also, were we aware before this that Shallan could adjust the form that testament takes? I’d thought that all dead spren were locked in their last form. Is testament special because they’re wielded by their original radiant? Or because Shallan is in the process of restoring them to ‘life?’ Cant wait to see!
That was also a god-metal Raysium dagger which introduces a whole different variable. It creates an anti matter explosion with stormlight but the spren are a blend of honor/cult shard power, and manifesting as Tanavastium/Korellium metal as shards.
Idk, he’s usually good at properly balancing things, I think in order to not just nerf the crap out of radiants, it just despawns their shards temporarily, but doesn’t kill the spren, and maybe the average troops have weaker anti light that only limits healing and debuffs them for a while.
Insta killing radiants and spren should be reserved for super rare weapons otherwise their powers are pointless
to be fair, Brandon said it’s eaiser for the radiant who killed their spren to use them better I beleive, problem is, all of them died. Here: Shallan IS the Radiant who killed Testament
I mean, we saw it in TSM. Even after Aux became deader than any deadeye, he could still be used as any kind of weapon or tool. Which felt like a bit of cheating to me, since his physical form without the mind is still investiture and should have been used up, but YMMV.
That’s a good point – I’d forgotten about Aux. I wonder about the differences between Aux and a broken oaths shard blade. Does the manner of death make a difference to the way a blade can be used?
I’m guessing the Radiant bond allows the dead-eye spren to change shape. Shallan is still bonded to Testament, and Sigzil was bonded to Aux. Although, as Maya heals, perhaps we’ll see her change shape?
I forgot that the bolt must be made of raysium to transfer the anti-light, so maybe it could penetrate the shard more easily?
Rabbouniel was pretty clear that Raysium is super duper difficult to get. I believe the weapons capable of the transfer of light just have a small strip of Raysium to use as a conduit, not the whole arrowhead/spearhead.
here’s a question. with a new Odium, would there be Terevisum now?
I like Taravangium – it sounds like a real element. One of the unstable, super duper radioactive ones.
I found the following interesting: :…Tek, one of their carrier parrots…”
1) Using the term parrots, rather than chickens
2) Is Tek an Aviar?
I get it is likely lingering language from when they immigrated to Roshar. However, the term “parrot” just seems so out of place, given thee prevalence of “chicken” for all bird forms..
Yeah first mention of a bird that isn’t just the catch all term chicken haha, he clarified in WoB on Roshar chicken does just mean bird.
Doubt it’s an aviar though
I love the way BS uses language to characterize the differences between Shin and Alethi life, and what is shared (or not) between their cultures. I cannot begin to understand why Shin call these birds parrots when nearly everyone else only uses “chicken” (almost as an entire substitute for “bird” too) but I happily put it on my list of “weird Roshar things that are Important for some reason”.
I hesitate to guess that these Shin parrots are Aviar, but who knows! I’m not ruling anything out these days.
I think the Shin have different words for different birds. It is just the rest of Roshar that calls all birds chicken. So Tek is probably just a parrot.
My comments to Chapter 27
· Young Szeth has the temperament of a Skybreaker: one must follow the law no matter the consequences. No grey; only black and white. I guess once a Skybreaker, always a Skybreaker.
· Rather than Ishar on all the stone pillars, I would have included Nale.
My comments to Chapter 28
· Before I read this chapter, I had no idea what would happen (I am not a beta reader and this is the first time I read this chapter). However, I am confident that Shallan will not die. If she were to die in this book, there is no way it would happen this early.
· Fantastic detail. Using Testament as a shield rather than a weapon.
· Good question Shallan. What would happen if anti-Light met a Shardweapon. Probably the death of the spren. The Shardweapon is the physical manifestation of the spren. I am more interested in what would happen if the anti-light hit the ShardPlate. The spren that make up the ShardPlate are not the level of spren that make up the Radiant bond. I am positive, however, WaT will give us the answer to Shallan’s question and my question.
· For all the times that Shallan appears to be flighty, when pressed, she has an analytical mind. She knew instantly to make sure she was not wearing ShardPlate when the anti-light bolt hit her. And she knew it was not a good idea for her to Investure with Stormlight. I am not sure if I was in Shallan’s position, I would have fought my instincts of to inhale Stormlight into her. Both Adolin and Kaladin would approve. They are both big when it comes to not always relying on magical powers and weapons.
· I think the old “standby” Kaladin is referring to at the end of Chapter 28 is a cooked meal around the fire. IIRC, it was something he learned when he was a spearman in Amaram’s army. That was why he pushed Bridge 4 to have an evening meal. Rock was the one who came up with the idea of a stew as he was a cook. I am not sure how good a cook Kaladin is.
· As Coulla noted, we know what happens when Anti-Stormlight touches a spren. We saw that with Teft’s spren. We do not know what happens when it touches a Shardweapon (Radiant spren) or ShardPlate (the lesser spren).
Poor Szeth ): Knowing where he ends up in the future makes me so sad
Before this book, I was worried Szeth’s story would be a purely tragic one, with “I am the law” being a final no-turning-back moment for his descent from humanity. Now, however, I think that becoming the law, and being the one who _chooses_ what the law means… may be a way for him to recover his humanity rather than lose it.
Yes, I expect he becomes the spirit of the law, rather than blind action of the law (essentially, the opposite of Nale).
I also suspect that will cost him his bond with his unnamed spren..
I’m thinking that for his fifth oath Szeth will become the “truth” rather than the law. Making him and Kaladin knights of Wind and Truth. I agree with Austin, seems that Szeth’s journey to his fifth oath will be a way for him to recover himself, rather than further losing himself to his rigid adherence to the cultural customs he was born into.
The legalistc/personal interpretation dichotomy can be such an interesting (and grueling) one. Even in traditions which do allow for personal discernment (and within Catholicism there actually is a surprising amount) there’s still a lot of emphasis on making sure you have a ‘well formed’ conscience so you can be sure the discernment itself is sound. There’s always a danger in scrupulosity as well though, and sometimes I find that following the letter of the law so strictly can circle back and end up violating its own principle, if that makes sense.
Ideally such things should be an iterative process – we come up th traditions and processes that are “correct” and should serve what is “right”, and if those processes no longer serve that, we alter that. But of course we still need some framework to determine what “right” is.
Sometimes it does involve sacrifices or hardship, but at what point is that unnecessary/undue? How do you balance both? I feel bad for Szeth being forced to parse all that out.
Either something really bad came of this decision (which is why he no longer trusts his own judgment), or maybe he did something like turn his parents in.
Lyndsey, I think you nailed the religious/cultural analysis with the comparison of their religions and lands with the tree roots. (Old English major here, too.)
I think the chapter epigraph, ironically perhaps, reflects a political occurrence of a few months ago. Sorry, couldn’t help it—elections tomorrow.
at least we know that anti stormlight doesn’t actually kill the Radiant at least. I guess Teft died because he lost his bond first so he couldn’t have healed.
Not specific to this excerpt, but I have a crempot theory to share. I think the Stormfather was Enlightened years ago by Sja-Anat (at least before he started courting Gavilar). His attitudes mirror those of the Oathgate spren from an earlier WaT excerpt. I’m rereading RoW right now and Syl’s interlude (I-1) reads differently with this theory too. It would also explain why Dalinar’s powers are different from other previous Bondsmiths.
Actually, If agree with you on that. there was something that was bothering me with the Stormfather’s interaction with Galivar and NOT just his being out of character. There was a part where he shows himself to Galivar, and it is not described the way the stormfather usually appears. No booming voice, no giant face in a storm cloud, no it was a face…with white eyes. the same descriptor of Sja-Anat appearances.
That could just be because they’re both proto-spren from the early days..but absolutely a solid idea.
I was 1000% on board with stormfaker for the past year, it just seemed like Ishar for so many reasons, seeing indoors, lying, sensing the death of chanarach another herald, it just didn’t line up.
But now we have sibling mentioning multiple times he’s different, he acts differently, the timelines don’t add up, Jasnah points it out..
We’re definitely meant to be super suspicious of SF now.
Being enlightened is one possibility, maybe post recreance he was just in a bad way.
Another option is Tanavasts cognitive shadow has way more influence on him than we knew.
Or my personal theory, maybe Nohadon used some bondsmith shenanigans to fuse with SF in some way and makes him way more relevant to the modern plot, and explains the bright light moments and Nohadon lucid vision.
There’s many ways it could go.
I don’t think putting the question on Szeth is messed up or in some way manipulative, they know of the family he’s the most devout, and if they just went ahead and moved it he would freak the hell out and possibly tell someone. Obviously they are way more lax with the religious doctrine, and understandably want to move it, but I’m sure they wouldn’t have if Szeth had chosen to keep it where it is, and remember Szeth didnt want to go by son neturo to avoid dishonoring his pops and went by his grandpa’s name instead, so he still respects his dad.
It’s a really sweet family and a great parallel to Kaladins flashbacks.
Can’t wait til we get past the sample chapters into new Szeth stuff, I want to know everything about shinovar, how they feel about the heralds and honorblades, if they have missing shards, if they knew Szeth wasnt truthless or are brainwashed..
Love how odiums faction can’t help always stick it to Talns temples hahah, here and Thaylen city, they really don’t like the man.
Finally we’re here at the iconic cover shot we’ve been theorizing about for ages, the buddy cops standing on the grass looking at an unmade in the distance.
Having Szeth actually tell Kal the flashbacks is a damn good choice so he can’t comment on them and get closer to Szeth.
As much as I want to know the GB secrets too, she should have just blitzed in there killing them and revealing all their identites publicly. Shes come so far as a sword and board paladin haha.
So they definitely have enlightened Ink spren to just elsecaller teleport like that..ivory was the only one but after adolins trial some probably started to bond again, and from what we’ve seen they’re incredibly pragmatic
Im also assuming it’s the black piper in shinovar, but chemoarish works too.
Also I don’t think he’ll address Talns honorblade, remember he said that mystery will be answered in the new stormlight RPG haha.
I think Taln will become the next Honour.
Paige says “Iyatil grabs a knife and intends to finish Shallan off, but is interrupted by the ceiling melting”, but it seemed to me that she got distracted before the ceiling acually melted. Combined with getting lucky on the 1/3 chance of which Shallan to shoot at, I think that indicates that she was able to sense the use of investiture, whether through her own Invested Arts (tin?) or because her spren tipped her off.
Also, in keeping with my habit of focusing on all possible references to the Stone as the origin of the Shin religion, I noticed Neturo saying that “it might mean the spren have chosen this region”, using spren plural. So the current Shin religion is not just a straight-up worship of the primordial Stone, and has some component where many spren are involved (but this remains a curious contrast to how, as Kaladin repeatedly observes, there are no spren to be found at all in Shinovar, their radiant spren excepted).
Why is Syl described as “trimmed in violet” (when she lands next to them right after the discussion of the grass eating them in death)? Isn’t violet how voidlight is described? Is something from the Unmade affecting her?
Syl and kaladin use a code of blue/violet to know if she is appearing to just him or to others, I forget which is which though