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An Action Hero without Action or Heroism: Iron Fist Season One

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Published on March 31, 2017

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After watching the first three episodes of Iron Fist, my initial impressions were that Finn Jones was engaging and mostly harmless in the title role, that Colleen Wing as played by Jessica Henwick was a breakout character with whom you do not mess, and that the show started out as an unfocused mess.

Well, ten episodes later, and the first two impressions are soured, and the third has held true, sadly.

This is not to say that season one of Iron Fist is a complete disaster, but it is the least of Marvel’s Netflix offerings so far, and there are three primary culprits—the treatment of the lead character is a scattershot mess, the show can’t make up its mind who the villain is, and there’s very little fun to be had.

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR IRON FIST SEASON ONE

Here’s the biggest issue with Iron Fist: this is a character whose entire raison d’être is that he’s the living weapon, a superhero whose primary MO is martial arts (with the added bonus of the occasional glowy fist). The character was specifically created to cash in on the kung-fu craze of the 1970s that was spearheaded by Bruce Lee’s overwhelming popularity.

So you’d think the martial arts aspect would be better represented. The fight choreography is remarkably pedestrian and ordinary. We got better fight scenes in Daredevil—hell, we get better fight scenes in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Finn Jones didn’t have any martial arts training prior to being cast in this role, and it shows. At times, he moves very well, at other times he looks awkward and ridiculous. At no point does he carry himself in a manner that suggests that he’s a living weapon.

A perfect example: in episode 6, one of his three fights is against Scimitar (based on a villain who debuted in the first Iron Fist comics series) played by David Sakurai. At one point, Danny retreats. That part is fine, but he does so by turning his back on Scimitar and running into the next room with all the catwalks.

At that point, I’m screaming at the screen. I teach a kids sparring class every week at the dojo where I train, and one of the things I’m constantly telling the kids is never to turn your back on your opponent.  You need to keep your eye on the person trying to hurt you as much as is humanly possible. That goes double if the opponent is carrying a big-ass blade in his hand. This is basic Sparring 101 stuff, and the fight choreographers couldn’t even get that right.

Sakurai is a trained martial artist, which also is part of the problem. Iron Fist is the living weapon, the greatest hand-to-hand fighter in the Marvel Universe. In the MCU, we’ve seen other folks do acrobatic hand to hand: Captain America in five movies, the Black Widow also in five movies, Melinda May and Daisy Johnson in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Daredevil and Elektra in Daredevil, and Scimitar, Davos, Zhou Cheng, and Colleen Wing right here in Iron Fist, and all of them are more impressive visually, and all of them give the impression that they could kick Danny’s ass.

This is especially noticeable in episode 6, when the only time Danny looks impressive against Scimitar is when his stunt double is obviously being used, in episode 8 when Lewis Tan’s Zhou Cheng runs rings around Danny with his drunken master act, and in episode 12 when Danny and Colleen do forms together and she looks about fifty times more elegant than he does.

(Tan’s mix of drunken stumbling, drinking, and fighting was a delight to watch, one of only two bits of fight choreography I actively admired in the series, the other being Colleen’s swordfight in the same episode. Not coincidentally, that one was the only episode directed by Kevin Tancharoen, who has also directed the episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that have had the most effective action sequences. One wishes he’d been used more.)

The writing also continues to show ignorance of differing martial arts styles, in particular that Chinese and Japanese traditions are very different. Madame Gao is Chinese, yet the Hand that we’ve seen in Daredevil and here seem to be students of Japanese martial arts (ninjitsu in Daredevil, karate and kanjutsu here). Davos specifically says that they trained in kung fu in K’un L’un, a city that only intersects with Earth every fifteen years, yet he lectures Danny on the protocol Colleen must follow as she fights her sensei, protocols that are Japanese in origin. It wouldn’t bother me so much if Davos wasn’t from an interdimensional city—where did he even learn the term sensei if he’s only studied kung fu in another dimension?

One could, perhaps, forgive this if other aspects of Jones’s performance made up for it, but the script can’t even seem to make up its mind who Danny is. For someone who has been away from civilization for fifteen years, he assimilates back into the world remarkably quickly. He doesn’t seem to have any trouble with anything in 2017 even if it’s something that wasn’t around in 2002 (like cell phones with GPS that are easily trackable) or that he shouldn’t know how to do given that he was ten years old when he went to K’un L’un (like being able to drive, which he does twice without any difficulty). We first see him barefoot and not caring about his appearance, but he assimilates to clothes (and shoes) almost instantly.

Supposedly he’s been trained in how to center himself and control his anger (Davos even says as much to Claire), yet he constantly is flying off the handle. Either he wants to fulfill his duty as the Iron Fist to stop the Hand or he wants to be Danny Rand, billionaire, again or maybe he wants to protect his friends, or—I dunno. His motivations change from episode to episode, sometimes within the same episode. At one point, he speechifies to Colleen about how they need to stop just destroying, making you think he finally started listening to Claire, but then he does nothing to follow up on that revelation. He spends most of the first three episodes having the same flashback to the plane crash, and then his PTSD is pretty much forgotten until the final two episodes.

The first three episodes gave the impression that Colleen wandered in from a different, more interesting show, and points to the writers for actually tying her story closer to Danny’s by making her part of a different faction of the Hand, but those points get taken away because it makes Colleen look like an idiot. Worse, it makes her dojo much less interesting, as it’s just a training ground for the Hand, something that you’d think would have been mentioned sooner in one of her non-Danny scenes. As it is, the revelation comes out of left field and doesn’t completely track with the earlier portrayals of Colleen. (The cage-fighting aspect is also dropped like a hot potato, making it obvious that they were put there to show off Jessica Henwick’s skills, another element that highlights Jones’s inadequacy.) Which is too bad, as despite this misstep, Henwick remains one of the series’ bright spots.

But a misstep it is. The entire Hand compound run by Bakuto just screams “cult!!!” so much so that Danny points it out. Henwick’s portrayal of Colleen is completely off-kilter and wrong while she’s in the compound, and doesn’t right itself until she rejoins Danny at Claire’s place. Plus Ramon Rodriguez plays Bakuto with such oily sliminess that you wonder how anyone could fall for his act.

Rodriguez is one of the more disastrous casting decisions of the show, as his Bakuto is unconvincing in pretty much every mode. He’s not menacing when he’s being evil (the scene where he double crosses Ward and shoots Joy is almost laughably pathetic), neither his martial arts skills nor his swordfighting skills are all that and a bag of chips (his climactic duel with Colleen at Bethesda Fountain in episode 12 was probably filmed in the rain to help cover Rodriguez’s shortcomings), and he doesn’t have the charm to pull off Bakuto’s cover as a benevolent leader.

And he points out another of the show’s troublesome issues: a plethora of villains, only one of whom is actually effective as such.

At first, we think the primary antagonists are the Meachum family, who are opposed to our hero. We’ve got Joy, who objects to Danny’s stalkerish tendencies early on (not, I might add, without reason), we’ve got Ward, who’s slimy and also a pill popper, and we’ve got Harold, who’s vicious and nasty and faked his own death and works for the Hand. Attempts are made to give the characters nuance, but where that worked in Daredevil with Fisk and Elektra and in Luke Cage with Cottonmouth, it comes with no context or sense here. Joy is mostly portrayed as a good person, yet we see her manipulate the organ donor list and screw over families with cancer—and then at the end plots with Davos to kill Danny (more on that in a bit). Ward is sometimes a victim, sometimes a bastard, sometimes an ally, and the threads get stripped, he changes gears so often without rhyme or reason. (Having said that, Tom Pelphrey does an excellent job portraying Ward’s addiction and withdrawal, as well as his frustration with being under his father’s thumb.)

And then we have Harold. Does he love his children? Is he a bastard? Is he losing his soul? Why do we wait until thirteen episodes in to find out he caused the plane crash? (More on that in a bit, too.) I was actually grateful when Ward killed him in episode 7 (it was a great moment for Ward and I thought it meant we’d be saved from the most disappointing performance I’ve ever seen the usually reliable David Wenham give), and my response to his coming back to life at the top of episode 9 was mostly just annoyance.

Then we think it’s Madame Gao, then we think it’s Bakuto, and in the end we circle back ’round to Harold. And only Gao is an actual effective villain in all this. Wai Ching Ho continues her superlative work first seen in Daredevil, and we get more hints to her longevity and effectiveness. (I still hold true to my personal theory that she’s a dragon. Maybe she’s Shou Lao’s mother!) For all that the villain-taunts-the-heroes-while-captured thing has been a tired cliché since The Silence of the Lambs in 1991, it can be very effective, especially when the villain is played by someone as superb as Ho. (See also The Avengers, when Tom Hiddleston, Samuel L. Jackson, and Scarlett Johansson made it work magnificently.) Gao is so obviously operating on a whole different level than everyone else—yet she still is vulnerable, it’s just a lot harder to find those vulnerabilities. (Danny actually scores two victories against her, stealing the tablet, and getting her captured, but these are both minor battles—Gao’s still winning the war.)

Sadly, Gao is also the villain who gets the least screen time, and Iron Fist is the poorer for it.

We do get one more last-minute villain, and it’s a heel-turn that readers of the comics could have predicted, but which people who don’t know the comics couldn’t have, because it’s very poorly set up: Davos.

In the comics, Davos (a.k.a. the Steel Serpent) was the son of Lei Kung, the Thunderer, who was also Danny’s teacher. That much holds true in the series, but instead of Davos hating Danny and challenging him for the iron fist, here Davos is Danny’s best friend (basically merging the comics’ Davos with Conal, in much the same way Captain America: The First Avenger merged the Bucky of the comics with Arnold Roth to form the MCU Bucky), who chases after him to New York, not to challenge him and take the iron fist away as in the comics, but instead to bring him home to fulfill his duty to K’un L’un. (In the MCU, Iron Fist’s duty is to physically guard K’un L’un from attack by outsiders, particularly the Hand.) They argue about this a lot in the final episodes, but the leap from that to Davos plotting to kill Danny with Joy is too long, too far, and too fast.

Which is too bad, as Sacha Dawan is another of the high points of this series. In particular, he actually moves like a trained martial artist far better than Jones does, which is put into sharp relief when they’re fighting back to back in episode 10. (Dawan’s background is as a dancer, not a martial artist, but for the purposes of television fight choreography, it works. Also, some of the finest martial artists I’ve trained with had dancing backgrounds before they joined our dojo.) Indeed, I find myself wishing I lived in the alternate universe where Dawan was cast in the title role.

This series is more or less an adaptation of Iron Fist’s earliest days in the comics, as this storyline is a distillation (and modernization) of Marvel Premiere #15-24, Iron Fist #1-15, and Marvel Team-Up #63-64, which were published from 1974-1977. I mention this because those comics understood certain storytelling aspects that the writers of this series completely fumbled. In Marvel Premiere #15, we immediately saw that Harold Meachum killed Wendell Rand, we immediately saw Iron Fist in a major martial arts battle, we saw the iron fist in action. More to the point, we saw K’un L’un—that first story has Danny leaving the city once it’s intersected with Earth once again to claim vengeance on Harold. We saw Danny’s training, and throughout the rest of the issues I mentioned, there are plenty of flashbacks to his time in the city.

In the series, we’re stuck waiting for lots of this stuff, to no good end. The hero-trapped-in-an-insane-asylum story should not be the second episode, when we barely even know the guy. He doesn’t have a proper big-ass fight until episode 3, and he doesn’t have a good one until episode 6, when he challenges Madame Gao to free her heroin chemist’s daughter. (Oh hey, after thirteen episodes, that heroin is still on the streets, and our theoretical hero has managed not to do a single thing about it. Nice going…) We don’t even see the iron fist until the end of episode 2.

Worst of all, we never see K’un L’un. The PTSD flashbacks in the first few episodes are setting up to see more as the series goes on, but we see precious little—just Danny and Davos outside Shou Lao’s cave and Danny and Davos standing guard outside the city. An image of Lei Kung narrates platitudes throughout Danny’s challenge in episode 6, but we never see the real thing (which is too bad, as Hoon Lee plays him with impressive gravitas). The only element of Danny’s training we actually see is him being conditioned with staffs. We don’t see his confrontation with Shou-Lao the Undying that gives him the iron fist, only its aftermath. (That, at least, was likely budgetary, as a dragon is probably a bit too expensive for Netflix…)

Instead, we spend way too much time on Rand Enterprises, which would be fine if this were a drama on TNT or USA rather than a show about a superhero. Every time we cut back to the Meachums, I was twiddling my thumbs waiting for the interesting stuff to come back, especially since the Rand connection to the rest of the storyline was paper-thin and only occasionally relevant.

Danny’s motivations for returning to New York are left maddeningly unclear and inconsistent. Since he doesn’t even find out that the plane was sabotaged until late in the series, it isn’t vengeance—especially since he’s buddy-buddy with Harold right up until the latter frames him for drug dealing.

Ultimately, the first season of Iron Fist feels like the rough draft of a storyline that needs at least three or four rounds of revision to tighten it up. It’s the story of a martial arts superhero made by people who don’t know enough about martial arts and who cast a non-martial artist in the role. Worse, it’s a story about a superhero who’s barely a hero. Daredevil and Luke Cage were both about doing the right thing and helping people. Jessica Jones was more inwardly directed, but the overall emphasis was overcoming an assault and stopping a bad person. Iron Fist ultimately is lacking in a proper heroic element—instead it’s about a dumb kid who stumbles through several adventures without actually doing a whole helluva lot of good. Colleen goes on a more interesting journey than he does.

The biggest problem, though, is the severe lack of fun here. While both seasons of Daredevil and the first seasons of Jessica Jones and Luke Cage all had their extremely heavy moments, they also had their fun bits, times when you laughed out loud. The hallmark of the MCU since Robert Downey Jr. snarked his way through Iron Man in 2008 has been that these stories always have a sense of fun to ameliorate the heavy stuff.

The only time we get that in Iron Fist is when Rosario Dawson’s Claire Temple is on screen. She remains a delight and a joy, and continues her excellent role as the glue that holds the Netflix series together. (She’s also the source of many of the continuity hits, as her bad experiences with the Hand in Daredevil season 2 are directly referenced, plus she reads a letter from Luke Cage in Seagate Penitentiary and gives Danny one of Luke’s old bullet-ridden shirts. Though they’re not the only ones—besides the appearance of Carrie-Anne Moss’s Jeri Hogarth, we’ve got Joy hiring a private investigator who is strongly implied to be Jessica Jones, Danny giving a story to reporter Karen Page, and more than one reference to “the incident” in The Avengers.) The lack of comic relief makes the entire series a major slog.

Iron Fist is a character with more than four decades of history in the comics. He deserved better than this. Let’s hope that season 2 and The Defenders do better by him.

Keith R.A. DeCandido is a second-degree black belt in karate and the author of several bits of prose based on Marvel’s heroes. The latter includes two Spider-Man novels, short stories starring Spidey, the X-Men, the Hulk, and the Silver Surfer, and the recent “Tales of Asgard” trilogy: Thor: Dueling with Giants, Sif: Even Dragons Have Their Endings, and the forthcoming Warriors Three: Godhood’s End. His latest project is Mermaid Precinct, the fifth novel in his acclaimed fantasy police procedural series, currently looking for support on Kickstarter. He has been writing for Tor.com on various bits of pop culture, including twice-weekly rewatches of classic TV series, since 2011.

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8 years ago

My theory is that Madam Gao is the Big Bad of The Defenders.  If they used her too much in Iron Fist, then it could undercut The Defenders.  So Iron Fist suffered from not wanting to undercut the next story, much as Agents of SHIELD had problems the first season prior to the release of Capital America.  (I may be remembering the wrong movie and season.)

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8 years ago

I really wanted to love the Iron Fist but it did fall flat for me – for many of the same reasons you talked about. I still enjoyed it and am looking forward to the Defenders, but the lack of direction or purpose killed me. While Daredevil and Jessica Jones had me watching with bated breath, I found myself doing other things around the house while I watched Iron Fist. There were definitely some standout moments – any scene with Claire was all the better for it and the fight scene with Zhou Cheng was phenomenal! I have no martial arts training, but even I could tell that Finn Jones had little experience before the show. For all the talk about the Iron Fist being a living weapon, I could never really buy into it while watching the show.

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8 years ago

I thought Ward was one of the best characters, his actions and responses made sense for his character and the actor did a good job portraying them.  Danny was a bit of a let down with the action scenes, and you make a good point that he shouldn’t know a lot of modern tech.  The drunken fight scene was the best in the show so far, I always enjoy a good Drunk-fist fight.

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8 years ago

I was more pleased than you with the Meachums, since everything about them at first coded them as “EVIL!” but as we get on they felt more like people who’ve made huge moral compromises in one way or the other but don’t think of themselves as evil and also sometimes trying their best to do the right thing (which, in things like “pricing drugs” is not as simple as Rand believes, as profits do fuel research would could make future drugs possible… doesn’t mean they should gouge, but ‘give it at cost’ isn’t necessarily the right answer either).  Nuance is good, in my book, even if it seemed a little scattershot.  And Joy’s heel-turn at the end completely failed for me far more than Davos.  The last time we saw her it looked like she was starting to realize that her father was evil and that he was lying to her face, and that possibly her brother was right and he came back “wrong”… to suddenly have her say “Okay, well, I need to kill Danny now” just felt wrong (unless of course, it’s a misdirect… she never actually took any acts against Danny, just had a lunch with a supposed friend of his who said he should be killed and said “Go On…” so she could theoretically be trying to figure out how dangerous this guy is and then in S2 will warn Danny… but even if that were the case, having Danny and Ward be the photos on the Rand Company Wall and Joy absent felt WRONG). 

Though there were huge plot issues all around, though.  The one that annoyed me the most was when they captured Gao, in China, and the next ep… they’re back in New York at the Dojo, with her still as their prisoner.  Even worse, they hung a lantern on the issue BEFORE it happened with Claire pointing out when they set off to China “what are we going to take her on a commercial plane at gunpoint”, and Danny said “We’ll figure something out.” and then after it happens they don’t mention (as far as I noticed) how they managed to figure it out.  Nor does it make any sense for why they couldn’t just interrogate Gao IN CHINA other than they needed to be in NY to use existing sets and get them in place for later.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

I agree, episode 8 is the one time the martial-arts action really comes to life like it should have all along. I loved the Legend of Drunken Master homage.

I still feel this almost kinda works as an implicit commentary on white/upper-class privilege. Danny grew up a spoiled rich kid who was given whatever he wanted, and even after a formative tragedy and 15 years living among monks and being trained in martial arts, he never outgrew the sense that he was automatically entitled to get whatever he wanted and not care about the consequences to anyone else. He thought he could just march right into Rand and reclaim his wealth and birthright without difficulty. Once on the board, though he tried to do the right thing, he did it in the most heavy-handed, arrogant way possible and alienated the board members, rather than trying to find a smarter way to finesse them into agreement (you’d think someone trained in kung fu would know a thing or two about subtly redirecting an opponent’s thrust). And as we eventually learned, back in K’un Lun he fought to claim the Iron Fist for himself, not because he respected the grave responsibility that came with it, but just because he assumed he was entitled to the best of everything. As proven by the fact that, once he had the power, he got bored with the responsibility and ran off back home to pursue some nebulous goal, and as a result of his abandonment of his post, something terrible happened to K’un Lun.

That’s really the saving grace here — Danny is acting out a narrative of presumed class (and implicitly race) privilege and entitlement, and it keeps not working. He doesn’t save the day, he just makes things worse for other people. And it’s the women of color who stand up to his crap and point out what’s wrong with his viewpoint. Heck, even Davos has a valid argument about how he shouldn’t have walked away from his responsibilities — although the final clash of ideologies with Davos does have a feel of the old “Our cosmopolitan Western values are more enlightened than your harsh, insular Asian traditions.”

Still, the subversion doesn’t really pay off, because Danny doesn’t really grow. He’s barely even the protagonist here; as I’ve said elsewhere, he reminds me of Big Trouble in Little China‘s Jack Burton, a sidekick who mistakes himself for the hero. This isn’t really Danny Rand’s story; it’s Colleen’s and the Meachums’ story, and Danny is effectively a catalyst for their narratives — even a Macguffin, an entity whose pursuit drives the actions of the other characters but that doesn’t matter that much to the story otherwise. I actually felt that Ward Meachum ultimately had a more heroic/redemptive arc than Danny, though it took him a long time to get there and it wasn’t very pleasant to watch his deterioration.

I agree that the casting of Bakuto was unimpressive; it’s also bothersome that they cast a Hispanic actor as a character with a Japanese name (and had him consistently mangle the pronunciation of that name), as if all nonwhite ethnicities were interchangeable. Marvel continues to be more okay with casting non-Asian actors in originally Asian roles than the reverse. (The only instances of the reverse I can think of are Daisy Johnson and maybe Hogun, though I’m unsure of the latter.)

Brian MacDonald
8 years ago

Thanks for providing the point of view of someone who’s both a comics fan and experienced in martial arts, because I’ve been wanting that in a review. On the other thread, I said that through the first few episodes, all the martial arts I saw was something that a trained person could actually do, without special effects. I thought that was a deliberate choice on the producers’ part, and I appreciated it. Then I got to the “trial” in episode 6, and wow, what a let-down. I still can’t figure out why this supposed martial arts honor duel opened with a couple of Eastern European street brawlers and followed up with a poison specialist…except that the show didn’t have that much good fight choreography available.

On the villains, when Harold died, I thought we were going to get the “shake up the bad guys” trick that the other Netflix shows have used…and that ultimately hurt Luke Cage…but then he came right back. Somebody probably thought it was a good idea to have the viewers confused about who the bad guys really are…except I was confused because there were too many of them, and their motivations kept changing. And then it turns out that the bad guys really are the bad guys? Not exactly a twist there.

Personally, I’m hoping Madame Gao is actually Fin Fang Foom.

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7thWheel
8 years ago

I lasted about 5 episodes before I bailed. To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. “You are going to have some Kung Fu in your Kung Fu show right?” 

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

Oh, I forgot to mention — I loved it that Danny’s mentor was Master Splinter. Hoon Lee (Lei Kung) has been the voice of Splinter on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon since 2012. And, man, does he have an awesome voice. I hadn’t really realized that until I heard it here in a different context.

 

@7/Brian: I figured right off the bat that the thing that brought Harold back to life the first time would kick in a second time. After all, I knew that the comics’ Harold was responsible for the death of Danny’s parents, and I doubted the show would abandon the character before that was exposed.

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JUNO
1 year ago

Ah, yes… THE CHEESE PHONE!!

Jason_UmmaMacabre
8 years ago

Episode 8 may be when we had an actual good fight, but everything else about that episode was crap. Claire has all this experience with the Hand, but never once thinks to reach out to Matt Murdock since he actually beat them??? Or that she goes to China despite having no idea what Danny the Yutz is planning??? I can make excuses for a lot of things, but so much in that episode happened because of “plot” and it was almost unbearable.

This is also the first time that Marvel’s casting has really disappointed me. Finn sucks as Danny for all the reasons that Keith describes here. I wouldn’t care if they cast a white guy, black guy, Asian guy, woodland creature, or man from Mars as Danny, just as long as he could, I don’t know, ACTUALLY FIGHT!!!

I’ll finish the series, but I’m very disappointed. 

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@10/Jason: To be fair, Matt retired from Daredeviling at the end of season 2, so he’s presumably unavailable at the moment.

Casting-wise, I thought Finn Jones did a pretty good job of acting. As for the lack of fighting skill, I’d pin that more on the producers for failing to make sure he got intensive training for the role. After all, people can learn new skills. A lot of actors in the past have gone to crash courses to learn fighting and stunt techniques that they didn’t know before — including Carrie-Anne Moss when she did The Matrix. Jones could’ve been trained to a higher standard if the producers had put enough effort into the martial arts overall to insist upon it.

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crimsonlotus
8 years ago

Agreed for all the above reasons, but I’d add that they really did a poor job of representing Buddhism. Danny says a few Buddhisty-sounding things but it’s nowhere to be found in his behavior. Also, what’s up with him saying “The longer I stay in New York, the more I realize the duality in life.” Are the writers not aware that Buddhism is inherently non-dualistic? 

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8 years ago

Keith, I pretty much agree with all of your points. I was a bit worried when I read your review of the first three episodes, because you seemed to dismiss the complaints about Finn’s lack of martial arts abilities. When you said:

…moves with a compact grace and simplicity. He doesn’t waste any energy, doesn’t waste any moves to look fancy, he just gets the security guys out of the way as efficiently as possible. It reminded me of some of the best competition fighters I’ve seen, who barely seem to move a muscle, and suddenly their opponent is on the floor…

I was thinking “Hmm, have I misjudged the fight quality? Keith knows his martial arts, and my knowledge is limited to what I’ve seen in pop culture and the 1000-word essay on Karate I wrote in 6th grade.”

Seeing you finish up the season and be more critical of the utter dearth of good fight scenes involving Finn made me feel like my initial reaction was affirmed.

I was less impressed by Davos, I guess. He was fine, but I never understood why he had the accent he had. He’s supposed to be the son of the Thunderer, and like you say he’s never really left K’un L’un…so what gives with that? I guess one could go down the rabbit hole of “Why do any of them speak English at all?” for that matter.

As to the Meachums:

Joy – yeah, I think there was a missing episode where Joy has some sort of reason to suddenly not like Danny anymore. And withdraws from Rand Enterprises (Why only Ward and Danny on the wall?!)

Harold – I really enjoy the actor who played Harold, and yes he did his best with the role, but the scenes with him somehow ended up really lifeless at times. Poor direction/writing perhaps?

Ward – I felt like Ward was probably the most compelling person in the series. And that’s not really a good thing. His arc was interesting/well done, but this is a SUPERHERO SHOW about a KUNG-FU MASTER who is the BEST MARTIAL ARTIST IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE so when your most compelling character arc is “Rich businessman was a dick as a child, is still a dick as a grownup, but sorta saves the day by shooting someone.” you have problems.

Gao being a dragon is something I’d love to see come to fruition at some point, and was something I hadn’t considered previously. But it would totally make the character as we’ve seen her so far make sense.

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Wes B.
8 years ago

I keep trying to find a reason to watch this. I have enjoyed most of the Netflix Marvel shows, but started getting weary in Luke Cage.  This sounds like an even worse version of the tedium I found weary in some of that.

Hypothetically, if one were such a comics fan that they felt an obligation to at least watch *some* of this, are there three to five episodes that are worth watching? Or would there be a list of specific scenes one could watch that in a sense could create a watchable 2-3 hours of Iron Fist?  I’m tempted to fast forward through episodes and only watch the good parts.  What are those??

I’m bummed I have yet to see a good review.  deep sigh.

Jason_UmmaMacabre
8 years ago

@11, ChristopherLBennett, Unavailable even for a consult on the Ninja cult that is currently threatening the city? I don’t buy it. Then again, it was Manhattan, not Hell’s Kitchen, so maybe he wouldn’t have given a crap…

Agree to disagree on Finn’s acting. He was all over the place and it just felt off to me. I’ll grant you that the crappy fights are completely the fault of the producers. If they were going to cast someone with no martial arts experience, they should have made sure that he had adequate time to train to lend credence to his being the “best martial artist in the world”. Sean William Scott did better with his fight scenes in Bulletproof Monk. Maybe they should have gotten him for Danny Rand (I might be being a tad hyperbolic now:). 

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Mark Schaal
8 years ago

I never had any idea what the writers thought was the main point of the show.  So many ideas seemed to be thrown out and then forgotten.  Danny as a 10 year old versus adult.  Dealing with anger management issues.  Danny as barefoot nature boy.  Danny as homeless guy versus billionaire.  K’un-L’un versus New York culture shock.  Corporations:  doing good versus the profit motive.  Mansplaining:  why it is okay if you are a billionaire.  Chinese versus Japanese martial arts.  Martial arts all action, all the time.  How parents affect their children.  Using superpowers to harm or to heal.  Simplistic quick solutions versus thoroughly understanding problems.  Choosing between loyalty towards a society that saved your life and raised you for fifteen years and your best friend, versus a random woman you had sex with a couple times.

My current idea is make Harold less obviously evil and play on Danny’s favorable feelings toward Harold to then show how Danny’s privilege and selfishness leads him under Harold’s mentor-ship down the same path that Harold’s privilege and selfishness have taken him. 

The scene that sums up Iron Fist to me is in one of the early episodes where Danny says to Ward “I have questions about my parents and questions about the company” but then never says what those questions actually are.  The writers know that Danny (and the show as a whole) should have a point of view, but never decide what that point of view actually is.

 

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Vulcronos
8 years ago

I agree with you Keith.  I started watching and dropped out after the second episode.  So boring and Danny was utterly stupid for telling people where he was instead of just proving he was Danny Reed.  And the lack of action was killer.  No direction and no excitement made this an unwatchable flop

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

It occurs to me that maybe the problem with this show is that it really only exists out of a sense of obligation — that is, if they did Luke Cage, they needed to do Iron Fist too to get the “Heroes for Hire” team-up at some point. So it’s really just there to fill a slot. And so maybe because it was just kind of expected to exist, that meant the people involved never really had to come up with a compelling justification for its existence, a core idea to drive it and give it focus.

Brian MacDonald
8 years ago

I think you’re right, Mr. Bennett. Iron Fist was sort of an odd duck from the start because if its reliance on mysticism, which is at odds with the “street level” focus of the other three shows. But Danny Rand goes with Luke Cage, so you “had” to do an Iron Fist series. Having now seen it, I’m not sure what the point of connection between Danny and Luke will be. The comics these days face a bit of a quandry over whether Luke should be paired up with Danny or Jessica, although it seems like Netflix may just avoid that altogether.

Personally, I’ve always liked the relationship between Danny and Misty in the comics, but since there’s been no sign of that on TV yet, I’m assuming it won’t happen. I can’t figure the Netflix version of Misty Knight would see in billionaire man-child Danny, although stranger things have happened.

I’m far from the first to say it, but if there’s going to be a “Heroes for Hire” Netflix series, I’d rather see Misty and Colleen (with optional Claire) as the headliners, over Luke and Danny.

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JUNO
11 months ago
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Personally… I find it hard to care about that. If that means Knight ended up with someone other than.. this show’s Danny. Maybe that’s a good thing.

Brian MacDonald
8 years ago

I had the beginnings of a rant on that subject, but I haven’t read all the early Iron Fist issues, so I wasn’t sure if Danny and Colleen were never a thing at all, and then I started trying to look up who Colleen has been involved with canonically, and then I got to Scott Summers, and the whole thing went sideways, as it always does when one is involved with Scott Summers.

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JUNO
1 year ago
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Bob diamond that’s a rock star if I’ve ever seen one

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Felix
8 years ago

Besides the writing, a lot of this series’s problems could’ve been solved if they just cast Scott Adkins as Danny. With Issac Florentine and Peter Hyams sharing directing duties. 

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Howl
8 years ago

The first few acts were actually pretty good. Danny having to prove his identity, Ward losing his mind from drug abuse and Coleen in the illegal street fights. But the problem is that these plots vanish and seldom get addressed again in favour of a boring mastermind. Who has none of the charm of Fisk, none of the threat of Kilgrave or even the competence of Cottonmouth. Even the Hand, a mysterious organisation in Daredevil with creepy yet unexplained intent were reduced to cardboard cutout villains. The idea of the Hand having a rogue “good” branch is interesting but gets shunned so quickly. “We’re not all bad guys!” “I found your surveillance room that can be easily explained but imma attack you anyway.” “OK, we’re bad guys.”. Madame Gao was weak too, going from an enigmatic harbinger to an old lady trapped in a room she can easily escape from but doesn’t because plot. The Iron Fist is painfully overstated and yet even the guy who has it doesn’t know about it and yet, keeps mentioning the standing he’s unsure of.

That’s not even getting in to the nitpicky plot holes. Danny’s flip flop morality where it’s totally OK to murder someone because of a tournament, but should he kill the figurehead of an evil organisation he’s been trained to combat…eh, grey area. Danny also mentions being chaste, yet falls for an evil seductress who uses poison, yet it’s a shock that the Hand…poison their weapons… The Iron Fist can also summon shiny Samsung cell phones after he specifically mentions he left his in the compound yet he has it to take a phone call from Ward  to advance the plot. 

It could’ve been good if it had competent proof reading and editing for the whole project to give it some consistency. Instead it felt like a mishmash of ideas with only the best sticking at the start.

Sunspear
8 years ago

My alternate universe show:

1. Lewis Tan cast as Iron Fist.

2. No producers from later seasons of Dexter. At all.

3. Must have a dragon! You can’t have an origin where the hero gets his abilities from a mystical dragon and represent it as two glowy lights.

4. Alternate alternate casting: the guy who plays Iron Fist in the black and white footage. Bonus: hire that director to do as many episodes as possible.

Last: don’t portray the role of the Iron Fist so literally. He’s more than a security guard. But then we never see the city, or even if it has actual gates.

Jason_UmmaMacabre
8 years ago

Finished the series over the weekend. I find I am VERY sympathetic with Davos and actually kind of understand why he wants to kill Danny in the end. If he kills Danny, presumably there would be a new Iron Fist who would actually do their job. Why Joy would be interested in that is a completely unearned leap in logic.

Ward had the best arc, hands down.  

Bakuto was crap. 

Madam Gao is fantastic. They need to have her in every series as a kind of antithesis to Claire. The evil that ties the Defenders to a common cause. 

Also started watching “Into the Badlands” on Netflix. Daniel Wu would have made a great Danny Rand. Great fighter, plus he’s a good actor to boot. Iron Fist needed a stronger lead. 

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James Moar
8 years ago

maybe Hogun, though I’m unsure of the latter.

His design has cod-Mongol elements, and he was established back in the 60s as coming from another land from the other Asgardian characters, so I’d say he’s ambiguously Asian.

Mayhem
8 years ago

As I said in the first part writeup, while I liked the lost boy returning home intro, Ward was terrible as CEO, though I can buy Joy as chief Legal.  But the boardroom drama later generally makes no sense – if they can force the presence of Danny on the board since he has a 51% stake, then how can the board vote to remove two of the primary figures in the organisation *without* Danny’s proxy in use?  Surely the Meachums would also have a significant stake, so any gesture to evict the Meachums and Danny is pointless since as majority shareholders they can just turn around and call a shareholder meeting, nominate new directors, and be put right back as they were.  Hell, Danny should be able to do that in his own right.  It is HIS company at this stage.  

As I said, a slow but reasonable intro tailed off into a poor midgame – the death of Meachum was a highlight, as was the Drunken Master fight, but the rapid resurrection and the hints of madness were hurried too quickly.  The series just didn’t have enough room for all that turned up in the third act – Bakuto, a throwaway, as was the whole academy.  Davos, somehow gone from friend to betrayed enemy just because Danny didn’t step up and kill RIGHT NOW.  arrgh.  the whole finale was a mess.  

I didn’t mind Danny and Colleen hooking up though, because with Claire attached to Cage and Joy all angry for no real reason, there aren’t any other female characters!

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8 years ago

I enjoyed it, it’s the weakest of all Marvel/Netflix shows, but it’s still fun, although not without its failings.

I’m sad you didn’t like it, krad, and I also disagree with most of what you think about the show. So much, that I don’t even feel it’s worth it writing up all the things I think. :) I respect your point of view as a fan of the character, and as a martial artist, but I’ve also have had experience with martial arts, and while Im not a fan of the character, I did speak to other fans (including one who’s a kung-fu practicioner), and they agreed with me. There are a lot of people on either side of the Iron Fist divide.

I do agree Lewis Tan was delightful, and I wish someone with his fighting abilities had beeen cast as Danny, or that this show had had more time to train Jones, and had DD’s fight choreographer.

One thing I will say: Danny’s motivations for coming back to New York is obvious: he had a hell of a time in K’un-Lun, he was abused, he misses his family, and wants to go home, the closest thing he has to family are the Meachums, and that’s why he goes back. It’s clear as day.

Now I’m kicking myself for not noticing that Hoon Lee (who I adore) was Lei Kung

– ghostly1: I agree, the Meachum kids had nuance, and that was appreciated… plus, I didn’t buy Joy’s turn at the end, but I did buy Davos’. He sells his annoyance at Danny episode after episode, and it’s much better executed than Mordo’s in Doctor Strange.

About flying Gao from China to New York; well, they weren’t flying commercial.

@9 – Chris: Have you watched the show Banshee? It’s ended already, but Hoon Lee was in it and he was fantastic there. He also gets to kick ass from time to time.

@10 – Jason: Claire flying with them to China, and worse, getting into a physical fight with the Hand is one of the things that I found made less sense.

@15 – Jason: Hell’s Kitchen is IN Manhattan. And as large as Marvel/Netflix shows it is, in the MCU it probably takes up half of the island.

@28 – Mayhem: I wondered that about the board kicking them out, but hey, I know jackshit about that kind of stuff, maybe there are some sort of loopholes or clauses that can be invoked?

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8 years ago

I’m not talking about the sticks scene only. I (and others) believe it’s heavily implied that the training was abusive. And even it’s not the training, he’s still a kid who saw his parents died in front of him and then was kept against his will in a place that was nothing like his home, away from every person he knew in life. Of course he’d want to go back to New York the first time K’un-Lun intersected with the real world.

You don’t think he was abused? Fine, but the rest still stands. Just because you didn’t like the motives doesn’t mean he didn’t have any.

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8 years ago

A lot of people think it’s clear, so perhaps it’s not that much of a failure. But you are obviously entitled to your opinion. You do have a certain point regarding the fact that they probably couldn’t return him even if they wanted to, but Danny is still in K’un-Lun through no choice of his own, so to me, it’s still obvious why he would want to go back home.

I do appreciate your whole review, even if I don’t agree with it.

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8 years ago

For me, the show suffered from what most super hero shows and movies suffer from.  The writers conveniently forget what the hero is good at. The best/worst example was the roof top fight between Harold and Danny.  Harold starts off kicking Danny’s ass all over the place. What? Danny is a world class fighter and Harold is crushing him? Also, the show kept mentioning Danny’s chi, but I don’t think they ever figured out what it was. He drained his chi summoning the iron fist early on, then learned how to replenish it through forms, then was stabbed in the side which prevented him from using it, expect when it was really important (handcuffs, breaking windows, smashing floors) and it wasn’t addressed before the end. Is his chi damaged, broken, drained, blocked? Why can he use it sometimes, but not other times. At least when he was drugged early on it made some sense.  But after that, it was simply plot convenience for something that was too powerful.

It’s like when The Flash gets punched by someone who isn’t fast like him. Don’t you know that makes no sense by the rules you set up for the character? Every time Barry Allen forgets how fast he is or Danny Rand fights like a half trained boxer takes me out of the story. So lazy.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@33/MaGnUs: The problem isn’t that the audience can’t figure out Danny’s motivations, it’s that Danny can’t. He wants contradictory things at the same time. I mean, okay, if he’s stuck in K’un Lun against his will and wants to go home, that’s perfectly understandable. But in that case, if he planned to leave as soon as the way was open, then he really should not have put himself in the running for the position of “mystical guardian of K’un Lun who must not abandon his post while the way is open or something terrible will happen.” If he wasn’t willing to commit fully to the responsibility of bearing the Iron Fist, it was a total jerk move to claim it in the first place, instead of deferring to Davos, who actually took his commitment seriously. Really, Davos deserved the Fist more than Danny did. And that makes it very hard to root for Danny.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

Just brainstorming here, trying to think of a way it could’ve worked better… Maybe shift the focus of the Iron Fist’s role to fighting the Hand wherever it operates. Lei Kung orders Danny to return to New York and use his status as the long-lost Rand scion to take control of his company and use that position to counter the Hand’s activities. Danny is reluctant to leave his safe haven in K’un Lun and uncomfortable with playing the role of pampered billionaire when he’d rather just lead a quiet, simple, possessions-free life of contemplation. He’s drawn to Colleen because her dojo is the one place where he can cast off the facade of the materialistic corporate magnate and be himself again. He wants to do what he can to help ordinary people, but he has to work carefully in convincing the corporation to take a more humane path, lest he jeopardize his standing in the company and his ability to use it against the Hand. So there’s a conflict between his two sets of teachings from K’un Lun — his concern for the well-being of all people and his duty to fight the Hand in particular. And maybe, since he can’t openly champion the little guy as Danny Rand, corporate magnate, he dons a mask and costume and begins using his kung fu skills, and judicious use of the Iron Fist, to fight crime and protect the innocent. Which eventually attracts attention and draws Davos to New York to confront him about losing sight of his mission against the Hand, with Danny countering that there’s no point fighting evil if you don’t protect the good.

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JUNO
1 year ago

It says a lot about the state of the world today that you can hear better plots and story from a website that has been online for roughly 15 years than a writer’s room

Jason_UmmaMacabre
8 years ago

@37, Christopher, that story line would have made the show much better than it currently is. It would have given the story focus instead of the rambling mess of a plot that we got. It also would have kept the audience on Danny’s side. As is stands, I found myself agreeing with Davos when he confronted Danny. In the show’s story, Danny is in complete dereliction of his duty and Davos’ home is gone because of it. It justify’s his anger at Danny. 

You should consider going into writing ;)

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8 years ago

@34 – jcmnyu: I understood that his chi was disrupted because he’s suffering from divided loyalties, between K’un-Lun and his duty as Iron Fist, and his desire to be Danny Rand and reclaim his family legacy. I do agree about The Flash, I know it’s hard with a character that fast, but sometimes it stretches the suspension of disbelief so far that it snaps.

@35 – Chris: I’m perfectly okay with having a main character who isn’t sure what he wants. That was my impression for Danny, and I look forward to see him grow into his roles in Defenders and his second season. As for your suggested changes to the story, I believe that it’s possible that Lei Kung knew that the Hand was loose in New York, so he engineered Danny’s leaving K’un-Lun, making him think it was his own idea. Of course, that’s pure speculation on my part, and having it even hinted on the show would have been much better.

ChristopherLBennett
8 years ago

@40/MaGnUs: The problem wasn’t that Danny was unsure, it was that he was selfish and greedy. He had no right to claim the Iron Fist if he had no intention of honoring the duty that came with it. That wasn’t just endearingly uncertain, it was the act of a complete bastard who can’t think of anything beyond his immediate gratification and his sense of entitlement. Danny was not the hero of this story. He imagined himself to be, but his choices just screwed things up for everyone else.

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8 years ago

I wouldn’t go as far, but I understand your point.

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8 years ago

@37 CLB I think that path would have done wonders for the show – for all the reasons mentioned, PLUS if Danny fights crime/helps the innocent in disguise, we get stunt doubles doing the action scenes, which would have been SO MUCH BETTER.

Side note: Tor.com, just chiming in with others I’ve seen here about posting – each time I try to post it essentially locks up on the page, and so to post I have to browse into incognito mode (thanks for mentioning cache, krad/CLB) to do so.

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renfield1969
8 years ago

I have to agree with you krad, this was a muddled mess, especially when it comes to his unexplained motivations. My wife and I spent every episode waiting for them to reach the fireworks factory, and eventually just hoped he would die on his way to his home planet. Everything about this was wanting, from the storytelling to the characterization to an iron fist effect that was desperately in need of at least a few Kirby dots.