Deadpool first appeared as a somewhat irreverent mercenary sent to kill Cable in New Mutants #98, the same 1991 issue that introduced Gideon and Domino. His design, created by artist Rob Liefeld, looked like a cross between DC’s Deathstroke and Marvel’s Spider-Man. His personality was crafted by Fabian Nicieza, who scripted the book over Liefeld’s plots. His snark in that initial appearance was only a fraction of what we’ve come to expect from the “merc with a mouth,” but it was enough to make people want to see more of the character.
Over the years, the snark kept getting turned up and up and up with each subsequent appearance, and eventually, in his ongoing series by Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness that launched in 1997, the goofy got turned up to eleven and he started breaking the fourth wall. That’s the version of Deadpool that most folks think of, and when his popularity truly took off—and what Ryan Reynolds wanted to portray on film.
Originally, Artisan Entertainment was going to make a film starring Deadpool, with Reynolds in the title role, Reynolds himself having wanted to play the character since learning that Deadpool described himself in Cable & Deadpool #2 as looking “like Ryan Reynolds crossed with a shar-pei.” (At one point in this movie, Deadpool says he looks like he was bitten by a radioactive shar-pei, thus bringing the joke full circle.) However, it butted up against 20th Century Fox’s rights to the X-Men characters, which included Deadpool. As a make-good, Reynolds was cast as a version of Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Part of Deadpool’s backstory was that he was also in the Weapon X program that created Wolverine, and they used that for the 2009 movie.
Reynolds was strong enough in the role that a post-credits scene was added late in the process showing that Wade Wilson survived his fight with Wolverine, thus leaving things open for Fox to do a Deadpool movie. Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick were hired to write the script, working with Reynolds, whom Reese and Wernick credit with keeping them on-brand, as it were. All three agreed to ignore the X-Men Origins version of the character and go with the fourth-wall-breaking loony that Kelly and McGuinness pioneered and which Christopher Priest and later Gail Simone settled as the status quo for the character in his ongoing series that ran from 1997-2002. Various directors were attached at different times, including Robert Rodriguez, before they settled on Tim Miller.
Unfortunately, the big giant flop that was Green Lantern in 2011 ground production on Deadpool to a halt, as Reynolds was tarred with a big green failure brush. Miller created some test footage to try to change Fox’s minds, and while it didn’t work at first, the test footage leaking online in 2014 to great acclaim led to Fox reluctantly going ahead and green-lighting it, with X-film producer Simon Kinberg now involved as a producer.
In addition to Reynolds in the title role, the movie features Morena Baccarin as Deadpool’s fiancée Vanessa (a non-powered version of the comics character Copycat), T.J. Miller as Deadpool’s best friend Weasel, Leslie Uggams as Deadpool’s roommate Blind Al, and Karan Soni as Deadpool’s favorite taxi driver Dopinder. Ed Skrein plays Francis, a.k.a. Ajax, the main bad guy, with Gina Carano as Angel Dust. Tying this into the greater X-film-verse are Stefan Kapičić as the voice of a CGI-rendered Colossus (replacing Daniel Cudmore, who played the role in X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men: Days of Future Past) and Brianna Hildebrand as Negasonic Teenage Warhead. The filmmakers wanted to change the latter’s powers to something more closely resembling her codename (in the comics, she’s a telepathic precognitive). In an amusing example of film-rights horse-trading, Marvel agreed to the change only if Fox would give up the rights to Ego the Living Planet (a Fantastic Four antagonist, and therefore covered under Fox’s license for the FF) for Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2.
Released in February, the traditional dumping spot for movies that studios don’t care about, Fox had no expectations for the movie, and barely a budget, but it became one of the biggest hits of 2016. Realizing they had a phenomenon on their hands, Fox quickly green-lit a sequel, for which actors Reynolds, Baccarin, Miller, Uggams, Soni, Kapičić, and Hildebrand and writers Reese and Wernick all returned, It was released in 2018, and we’ll cover it next week.
“A fourth-wall break inside a fourth-wall break? That’s, like, sixteen walls!”
Deadpool
Written by Rhett Reese & Paul Wernick
Directed by Tim Miller
Produced by Simon Kinberg, Ryan Reynolds, & Lauren Shuler Donner
Original release date: February 12, 2016

We open in mid-battle, as Deadpool is facing off against a bunch of guys with guns on a major highway.
Then we cut to just before the fight, as Deadpool is riding in a cab driven by a young man named Dopinder. They make small talk, then Deadpool is dropped off in the spot where the bad guys are going to be.
The battle against the gun-wielding thugs is interspersed with flashbacks telling us how we got here. Wade Wilson is a mercenary, ex-Special Forces, now working for clients to take on scumbuckets. As an example, he threatens a stalker on behalf of a high-school student. He hangs out at a bar for mercenaries run by his best friend, Weasel. The bar has a “dead pool,” where people bet on which of the regulars will die next. Wilson is a bit nonplussed to see that Weasel has placed his wager in the dead pool on Wilson himself.
Wilson meets a woman named Vanessa and they start comparing awful childhoods in an exaggerated manner (pretty much a total riff on the Four Yorkshiremen sketch popularized on Monty Python’s Flying Circus, though it originated on At Last the 1948 Show), and then they play skeeball, and then they have sex in the rest room.
For the next year, their relationship solidifies, as they’re both pretty much nuts. (As Wilson puts it, his crazy fits her crazy.) And then Wilson collapses.
They go to the hospital and learn that he has terminal cancer, and it’s too far along and spread too far for him to survive it. At the bar, he’s approached by a skeevy recruiter, who proposes that he try a radical treatment that will not only cure him, but give him super-powers. Desperate, Wilson agrees, sneaking away without saying goodbye to Vanessa.
The “clinic” where the treatments take place is run by a Brit who calls himself Ajax, though Wilson later learns that his real name is Francis. He injects Wilson with a drug and then starts torturing him, as extreme physical pain and suffering is apparently what will combine with the drug to trigger any latent mutant genes Wilson might have.
Either that, or it’ll kill him.
Eventually, Wilson’s powers do kick in, which makes all his hair fall out and his skin shrivel, but now he can literally heal any damage. Ajax keeps him imprisoned in a hyperbaric chamber. However, at one point, Wilson headbutts Ajax’s assistant Angel Dust, who always has a match in her mouth. Wilson used the headbutt to grab the match in his teeth, and he then lights it near the oxygen, which makes it explode.
Ajax can’t feel pain, and he and Wilson fight, with Ajax getting the upper hand long enough to get out of the building before it explodes. However, thanks to his healing factor, Wilson survives the building’s destruction, unbeknownst to Ajax. He’s sufficiently hideous that he doesn’t want to get back together with Vanessa until he can be cured, so he needs to find Ajax.
To keep folks from seeing how ugly he is, he wears a hoodie and mask. He also names himself after the dead pool, which he now can never “win.” Initially, his disguise is white, but he regularly gets stabbed and shot, and the clothes are covered in blood. So he switches to red, eventually putting together his familiar outfit.
Eventually, he learns that Ajax will be part of a convoy going down the highway and he attacks it, bringing us to where we started. However, while he does pin Ajax to the guardrail with a sword, he’s stopped from going any further by two X-Men who saw the news reports on what was happening: Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead. They distract Deadpool long enough to allow Ajax to get away, and Deadpool himself gets away from Colossus, who has handcuffed himself to Deadpool, by cutting off his own hand.
Deadpool returns home—he’s now living with a blind, semi-recovered cocaine addict named Blind Al. While waiting for his hand to grow back, Blind Al (after a disastrous attempt to assemble a bureau from Ikea) tries and fails to convince Deadpool to see Vanessa.
Ajax and Angel Dust go to Weasel’s bar, and while their attempt to physically threaten Weasel results in the bar’s entire clientele pointing guns at them, they also see the picture of Wilson and Vanessa behind the bar. Weasel calls Deadpool and tells him that Ajax is going after Vanessa. Deadpool reluctantly goes to warn Vanessa at the strip club where she’s working (and where the DJ looks just like Stan Lee). However, his fear of approaching her makes him hesitate long enough for Ajax and Angel Dust to kidnap her before he can give the warning (and also inform her that he’s still alive).
Deadpool, Weasel, and Blind Al gather up every gun they have (and then some), then Deadpool goes to the X-mansion to ask for Colossus and Negasonic to help him capture the guy they let get away. They ride in Dopinder’s cab for no compellingly good reason (seriously, Colossus flew the X-Men’s Blackbird to the highway earlier in the movie, why are they riding in a cab now?), and too late realize that they left the big bag o’ guns in the cab. (Deadpool tries calling Dopinder, but he gets in to an accident while fumbling for his phone and doesn’t answer.)
A big-ass fight ensues, with Angel Dust and Colossus beating the crap out of each other, Deadpool fighting Ajax while trying to rescue Vanessa, and Negasonic taking on the various thugs in Ajax’s employ.
Eventually, the good guys win. Ajax reveals that he can’t cure Deadpool, at which point Deadpool shoots him in the head, against Colossus’s wishes (and the act of shooting him in the head causes Colossus to throw up). Vanessa is furious at Deadpool for not telling her he was alive, but they wind up reconnecting by again comparing how awful their lives are. (He says he lives in a crackhouse with a dozen other people. She responds with, “You live in a house?”) She takes his mask off, only to find he’s wearing an improvised Hugh Jackman mask over his ruined face. She takes that off, and says that, after many many drinks, it’s a face she’d gladly sit on.
And they all lived happily ever after…
“You think Ryan Reynolds got this far on a superior acting method?”

Back when I reviewed Mystery Men in this rewatch, I pointed out that 1999 was a bit too soon to do a parody/deconstruction of superhero films because the only such films that were in any way mainstream successes were those starring Batman and Superman. It wasn’t until X-Men’s success a year later that the modern renaissance of superhero films started. Parodies work best when they go after something established and popular, so a decade and a half after X-Men is a much better time to make some serious fun of it.
And hoo-hah does Deadpool make fun of it, from the fourth wall breaking (Deadpool asking, when they go to see Professor X, if it’s Stewart or McAvoy) to the digs at other superhero movies (Wilson requesting that his suit be neither green nor animated, Deadpool calling Angel Dust out on her superhero landing when she jumps down from the aircraft carrier). The jokes come fast and furious, some obvious, some subtle, some ridiculous, some clever, all hilarious. Reynolds makes the movie, as his usual smartass persona—which worked beautifully in Blade Trinity and which crashed and burned in Green Lantern—is 100% perfect here. His timing is impeccable, his delivery is letter-perfect, and the scripting helps him out by giving him actual funny things to say. (It’s unfortunate that the first truly kink-friendly superhero movie is the parody, but you take what you can get, I suppose.)
For all that, it’s also a decent, if simple, story, one that follows the basic superhero origin pattern, with the twist that Wilson doesn’t go on a journey to become more heroic, but instead goes on a journey that turns him into an even bigger psychopath. Up front, Deadpool is clear about the fact that he’s not a hero. Colossus even gives a speech about how little it actually takes to be a hero, but Deadpool interrupts it by shooting Ajax in the head. Heroism is not Deadpool’s thing, batshit crazy is, and he embraces it with both hands.
There’s not a bad performance in the movie, which helps immensely. T.J. Miller’s dorky deadpan keeps up beautifully with Reynolds’s rapid-fire snark, Leslie Uggams is superb as the too-old-to-give-much-of-a-shit Blind Al, Stefan Kapičić is hilariously earnest as Colossus, Brianna Hildebrand is stereotypically teenage (but nonetheless compelling) as Negasonic, and both Ed Skrein and Gina Carano are delightfully, unapologetically evil in their portrayals of Ajax and Angel Dust.
But the best performance here is Morena Baccarin, because she has so little to work with. Deadpool’s approach to Vanessa is to take a complicated comics character and reduce her to The Love Interest. She’s marginalized constantly, with Wilson sneaking out of the house to get his super-cure, and never going near her after he turns ugly, not thinking highly enough of her love for him that he thinks looking like the product of two desiccated avocados that rage-fucked will be enough for her to reject him. And then she’s kidnapped, because that’s really all they can think of to have her involved in the plot. Sigh.
Having said that, the early scenes of their courtship and the montage of their first year together are brilliant. Baccarin has often taken roles that are underwritten, underdeveloped, or poorly written and made silk purses out of those sow’s ears (Inara on Firefly, Lee Thompkins on Gotham, Anna in V), and she does so here, too. Vanessa is a delight, with Baccarin selling her craziness, her love for Wilson, her anguish at his cancer diagnosis, and her fury at his showing up out of nowhere after a year and after she’s been kidnapped.
After a decade and a half of movies that took the notion of superheroes seriously (even if they didn’t always take themselves seriously while doing so), the time was definitely right for a movie that totally made fun of the entire notion.
Mystery Men would’ve been so much more well received if it had come out after this…
Next week, we’ll look at the 2018 sequel, prosaically titled Deadpool 2. (Seriously, couldn’t they have at least called it Deadpool 2: The Quickening or Deadpool 2: Electric Boogaloo or Deadpool 2: The Wrath of Cable or something?????)
Keith R.A. DeCandido also recently took a look at Netflix’s The Umbrella Academy on this here site. You should buy all his books, because they’re awesome. The most recent is A Furnace Sealed, which you can read an excerpt from right here. Keith also discusses the novel on both John Scalzi’s “The Big Idea” and Mary Robinette Kowal’s “My Favorite Bit.”
Deadpool 2: Pool Deader?
I guess I’ll play the contrarian here. I simply did not like this movie during my one and only viewing of it. I felt like it was trying wayyyyy too hard to be outrageous at the expense of keeping the viewer actually engaged in the story. Granted, I feel the same way about the actual Deadpool comics, so I am probably not the intended audience for the film.
That said, the film really invested every penny of its tiny budget well. This flick never feels like it was made on the cheap (seriously, I was astonished to see how small the budget was – even compared with the Wolverine solo flicks).
2 Dead 2 Pool
“delightfully, unapologetically evil “
Yes. When the Big Bad, or even the Medium and Little Bads, are played so as to embrace the Evil, they’re so much more fun. The Master and The Mayor in BtVS being prime examples of that.
I was hoping for Untitled Deadpool Sequel.
Because, wisely, they didn’t give Gina Carano many lines.
twels: The movie is very true to the source material, so if you don’t like the comics version, you’re unlikely to be able to get your arms around the cinematic version, either. :)
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
@7: I suppose that’s true, but I remember reading some of the comics and thinking they might work better as a film. There’s actually an episode of the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon that came out around the same time that I found uproariously funny. That, combined with the great reviews the movie got, prompted me to give it a chance
I just saw this for the first time last night. I enjoyed the jokes, and the performances were excellent, but the movie was a bit too grim and bloody for my tastes. As an old-fashioned superhero fan, I am not the target audience for this type of film. And, once you stripped away all the jokes, it was too much of a standard origin story for my taste, and origin stories have been done to death by this point.
@2, 7: I’ve never been a big fan of the comics version of Deadpool — and I bought New Mutants #98 when it originally went on sale, so I can say I’ve been disliking Deadpool since before it was cool. However, I could appreciate him as a parody character, and the reason I like this movie is because it takes the comic version of Deadpool and gets him pretty much 100% right. Aside from Chris Evans as Cap, it’s hard to imagine a comics-to-screen transition that’s truer to the core of the character.
For Mr. Bennett’s benefit, when he turns up: If you want to see Deadpool as something more than a force of chaos, Joe Kelly’s original run on the solo series positions Deadpool as someone who wants very much to be a hero, but can’t overcome his personal failings, with Blind Al as his conscience. It’s remarkably effective, and it sets up the groundwork for more recent “Deadpool isn’t really all that bad” stories, in Avengers and his team-up book with Spider-Man. He’s desperate for respect from people he regards as true heroes, and will modify his behavior to please them. He really wants to be Spider-Man’s best friend, to hilarious effect, and more than anything else in the world, he wants Captain America’s respect. The way that gets turned on its head in the Secret Empire event is heart-rending.
@2 Apparently the budget is why Deadpool is short on guns in both of the set pieces (and probably why they take the cab to the final battle). They couldn’t afford all the extra blanks and props.
@9 I did like how it interlaced the origin part of the story with the “present.” It wasn’t just the same old sequence of pre-hero life > traumatic event > powers > training montage > Hero.
I liked the contrast between Deadpool and Colossus, especially Colossus throwing up when Deadpool executed Ajax. And that Deadpool can’t really hurt Colossus.
I’m not a Deadpool fan. The movie though was pretty good, I think. Not as good as its biggest fans think, not as bad as its most vocal detractors think.
What’s not pretty good is Rob Liefeld suddenly thinking he has *anything* to say that’s worth listening to. He – and a couple of others – were largely responsible for one of the most embarrassing, sexist periods in comics history and the version of Deadpool he created isn’t the one in the movie. As noted above, the fourth-wall-breaking parody character didn’t ramp up until the late 90’s – years after Liefeld had anything to do with it.
Yeah, I don’t like that guy.
This is a movie I respect more than I enjoy. I appreciate its creativity and innovation, but its style of humor is just too crass for my tastes. There’s a fair amount of its humor that I enjoy, but too much else that I’m just not the target audience for.
As for Morena Baccarin, I agree about her acting skill now, but I found her underwhelming on Firefly — she was gorgeous, but gave a blander performance than the rest. I feel she’s one of those actors (like Michael Dorn) who didn’t really become good until they started doing animation work and got training in how to use their voices effectively. After Firefly, Baccarin voiced Justice League Unlimited‘s Black Canary (working with legendary voice director Andrea Romano), and following that, her live-action work improved dramatically.
My first recollection of Ryan Reynolds dates back to 1998. He used to be one of the main players in an old Friends-esque sitcom, Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place (longest TV show title ever). Back then, I thought he had the charm and humor pinned down, but was doomed to remain a TV personality. Little did I know that that distinction between the mediums was about to collapse….
I enjoyed this film. I’m a sucker for fourth wall-breaking humor as it is, and Reynolds sells every minute of it. But it’s the dark comedy that really puts it over the top. Crass, but fun. A superb supporting cast helps to anchor it, and you find yourself laughing at the most morbid situations conceivable.
Even though the movie makes direct fun of the X-Men films, Deadpool finds itself in this curious situation that it happens to be the first foray into an expanded cinematic universe inhabited mostly by the X-Men characters, thanks to Fox owning the rights. In a way, it’s good that Days of Future Past happened before this one, since the timeline reset helps to somewhat differentiate this particular version of Deadpool from the 2009 Wolverine film, inconsistencies aside. If Fox had given it more thought, it could have incorporated the Fantastic Four films into this particular universe as well.
Overall, a solid entry in the X-franchise.
“Donde esta el Francis!”
Loved this movie, utterly and totally, every single moment.
@10, I have every issue of NM up to #93, and bought #99. It was the first comic I ever collected. I hated Rob’s art, and it drove me away from it a few scant months before #98. For that alone, there is no forgiveness, but to cause me to miss out on what became a reasonably valuable comic, he is dead to me.
@12, at least Rob finally learned how to draw feet. Still a crappy artist, though.
Deadpool was a great movie that came along at just the right time. Parody is so hard to pull off. That said, I have issues with the movie.
1. Ajax/Francis. Yeah, he can’t feel anything, but a sword thru your shoulder isn’t about feeling anything. Its about the damage it does to you. Sewing it up with a needle and thread isn’t gonna cut it.
2. Final fight scenes, I get that Angel Dust is really strong, but muscles don’t equal armor or invulnerability. She gets tossed around like a rag doll and suffers no ill effects.
Yeah, I know. Its a movie.
@14/Eduardo: I’ve seen at least one show with a longer title — Filmation’s 1979-80 cartoon The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse and Heckle & Jeckle. TV Tropes has some even longer ones in its Long Title page, though it intersperses long show titles with long episode titles.
I don’t see the point of trying to pretend a movie that overtly acknowledges and celebrates its own fictionality is somehow “real” in the same continuity as other, more serious movies. The Deadpool movies are in their own little parodic world that pretends to be in the X-Men universe when it’s convenient and treats the X-Men movies as fiction when it’s funny. Of course, even the serious X-Men fim universe has always played fast and loose with continuity.
danielmclark: You’ll notice I downplayed Rob Liefeld’s contributions (which, truly, were limited to the characters visuals, which are, like most of Liefeld’s designs, lazy, a kitbash of Deathstroke and Spider-Man, as I said in the rewatch entry) and made sure to give all due credit to Fabian Nicieza (who gave him a snarky attitude back in New Mutants #98, a foundation on which later writers built the personality that Ryan Reynolds played in the movie), Joe Kelly (who went full batshit with the character), Christopher Priest, and Gail Simone.
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
@14 – If memory serves, they struck the “and a Pizza Place” from the title after the first season. I could look it up to confirm, but I’m too lazy. But I do recall they did away with the actual pizza place, and not just from the title. Didn’t that show also have a young Nathan Fillion?
@16, enhanced toughness almost always accompanies enhanced strength in super hero genres; it’s basically essential, as being immensely strong without having a body that can withstand the amount of force would result in very messy and excruciatingly painful situations.
I believe that I am in love with Deadpool! Not Ryan Reynolds but the character. I have issues… #driveby
@16, 20 – That’s just something that you have to suspend disbelief on. For instance, my brother has always made a big deal about Doc Oc in the second Spider-Man movie. He likes to bring up the fact that mechanical arms does not equate to superhero toughness, i.e. one punch from Spider-Man should easily knock him out. I just kinda shrug my shoulders on these things.
As I recall, Cable breaks Deadpool’s jaw in New Mutants #98 (to shut him up…which doesn’t work). In his next appearance, he complains that his jaw was wired shut for weeks. Clearly, this was not a fully-developed character in his earlier appearances.
I was wondering when I was putting this one together if Deadpool was the most recently created character or team to headline a live-action Marvel movie, and he didn’t quite make it — Generation X was created in 1994. It’s amusing to see that no Marvel character or team created in the 21st century has lead a movie. (Jessica Jones and the Runaways were created in 2001 and 2003, respectively, on the TV side, at least.)
1940s: Captain America
1960s: Hulk, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Fantastic Four, Nick Fury, X-Men, Daredevil, Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Black Panther, the Wasp, Captain Marvel
1970s: Howard the Duck, Red Sonja, Punisher, Blade, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, Wolverine
1980s: Elektra, Venom, New Mutants
1990s: Generation X, Deadpool
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
@24/krad: “It’s amusing to see that no Marvel character or team created in the 21st century has lead a movie.”
That should be “a live-action movie,” considering that Miles Morales was created in 2011. (And it should be “led,” while we’re at it.)
“You made a godd@mn vampire Pomeranian?”
I love Ryan Reynolds. *heehee*
I saw this movie on Valentine’s Day the year it came out. My partner and I had just been to dinner and had one of those fights that start with something really stupid and land up snowballing to DEFCON status. (To this day, neither of us can remember how the fight started.) We had tickets for “Deadpool” after dinner, at which point we weren’t speaking to each other. The movie made us both laugh so hard that by the time it was over we totally forgot that we were fighting and spent the entire cab ride home talking about how much we loved it.
I love how much unabashed *fun* Reynolds seems to be having in the role. I know he’s paid to play the character, but this has also been his dream role for years. If you follow him on social media, before the first and second films he posted some wacky and hilarious stuff “as” Deadpool.
I too agree that it’s a shame that the first kink-friendly superhero is in a parody film. However, I did like that, while Deadpool’s pansexuality was not super-explicit in this movie, it definitely WAS there in a lot of his comments and jokes. I think it’s possible to look at Reynold’s portrayal of Deadpool as a very Queer-friendly superhero. Deadpool subverts superhero tropes in the same way that Queerness and Queer narratives subvert traditional heteronormativity. Yes, tthe film is super-violent – but the fact is that the ideal of superheroes never killing is a naiive idea at best (this is my opinion: YMMV). Deadpool doesn’t fit the traditionally heteronormative ideal of the handsome, manly superhero. Instead, he is clever, witty, and subversive enough to break that fourth wall and deconstruct the whole notion of superheroes.
I can’t wait for next week’s review!
The film works perfectly as intended, a goofy action comedy. I’m not a fan of the character (I actually got tired of seeing him everywhere, and that was before the film increased his popularity tenfold), but this as perfect an adaptation as I’ve ever seen.
I enjoyed seeing Colossus in it, and had fun while watching the whole film but I’ve never felt the urge to watch it again. I’ll probably say the same thing about the second one.
@krad: “It’s unfortunate that the first truly kink-friendly superhero movie is the parody”
Yes, I am a bit troubled when people celebrate Deadpool’s queerness (not exactly a kink, but still), because it’s not really being accepting, it’s rather “uuuuh, Deadpool is kookoo for cocoapuffs, he’ll bone anything that moves!”.
@19 – Austin: I don’t know if it was after the first season, but yes. And yes, Nathan Fillion played “the girl”‘s boyfriend.
@23 – Brian MacDonald: The same can be said of many comic book characters.
@24 – krad: Well, the version of the Guardians that was adapted for the movie is from the 21st century and has nothing in common with the original team except for the name. The characters are older, of course.
@24/krad: I’m going to agree with Magnus on this one and say the Guardians deserve an asterisk. While the team name dates back to the 60s, and the individual characters have also been around a long time, the versions of the characters as seen on film are definitely the post-Annihilation versions from 2007. Of course, if we start arguing about precisely which versions of the various characters appear in which movies, we’ll be here all day. Leave it to the Guardians not to follow the rules.
MaGnUS: As a Queer person myself, I like seeing non-heteronormative characters and narratives. YYMV with Deadpool. While Deadpool may be seen as “kukkoo,” he is also really COOL. He’s witty, he’s smart, he’s almost indestructible, and is pretty bad-@@@@@$$. I don’t personally think that Reynolds’ character is re-inscribing insanity/instability upon Queerness.
Of course, I am writing this comment *after* the release of the “Wonder Woman” film, in which it was pretty well established that the Amazons and Wonder Woman herself weren’t exactly straight. Wonder Woman is now canoncially bisexual in the comics. My perspective looking back on “Deadpool” may be different than many peoples’ when the film first came out.
PS: Queerness is not a kink AT ALL. Some people who are Queer are into kink. Some people who are straight are into kink. Many Queer people are not into kink. I don’t mean to kink-shame at all (and I have typed “kink” so many times that it doesn’t look like a word anymore), but for a very long time Queerness has been associated with so-called “extreme” sexual practices and marginalized for that so-called reason
You forgot to add “at the strip club where she works (where the DJ looks just like Stan Lee)”
His powers do not cause his disfigurement. Technically, it’s the hyperbaric chamber he’s being tortured in that causes the hair to fall out and the skin to shrivel (you can see the same thing start to happen to Vanessa during the climax), and also activates his powers.
@19, @27: The “Pizza Place” was dropped from the title after the second season, but the first season was shortened because it was a mid-season replacement. It only lasted 4 seasons, so it ran longer without the Pizza Place than with it.
I do remember that they once did an entire episode without dialogue, which over-used “At Last” by Etta James in an attempt at a recurring gag with the other “Guy” (not Reynolds) trying to meet a girl he saw. While it was an otherwise great episode, it ruined my ability to enjoy that song for several years.
I loved this movie, and I particularly loved Leslie Uggams “Blind Al”. If there is any character that needs to crossover with the regular X-Men/MCU then it is Blind Al. Can someone put her in the proposed Black Widow movie, please? They can even have Wade, in DP3, bitch about how she got a crossover and he didn’t.
Well, that is any character other than The Vanisher, whom I am reliably assured actually was in all the MCU movies.
Most believable part of the movie. Do you know how expensive jet fuel is, that thing must cost a fortune to break out of the garage. Plus, as I’ve long said, the least believable part of the X-Men movies is how they manage to find a parking spot in built up areas for a 60ft long jet with a thirty foot wingspan. Don’t tell me VTOL, because rescue helicopter pilots have the devil of a time putting down in urban areas in their vastly small vehicles. At least at the start of the movie they can put it down in the empty part of the highway. I swear, that jet finding a landing spot otherwise is a mutant power in and of itself.
When I finally saw this, I was expecting very little from it, and ended up loving it from beginning to end. But the opening credits were what really won me over. One of the best opening credits sequences ever. :)
He also forgot to mention the Rob Liefeld cameo in the movie.
LazerWulf: ACK! I CAN’T BELIEVE I FORGOT THAT!!!!!
Heading to the edit function now………..
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
@22,
Don’t get me started on Doc Oc. Its asking too much to suspend disbelief when the villain is a guy a single NYPD SWAT sniper could take out with one shot.
sslemmons — that was almost word for word what I was going to say,
KRAD — wasn’t it a Hellicarier and not an aircraft carrier?
One thing that I will always remember about seeing this movie. My friend and I were talking about how Obama’s term only had a year left and all of his Supreme Court picks had been replacement for those with the same political bent. My friend said something along the lines of “imagine if Scalia were to die and be replaced” And the very next day I had to call him and say “remember what we were talking about last night? Well, guess what?”
The sketch was never aired on Monty Python’s Flying Circus, though it was later re-created on stage more than once using a cast of four Pythons, on account of it having been written by Cleese and Chapman, the two Pythons who made up two of the original Yorkshiremen (together with a Goodie and a… a Feldman? a Melbrooksian?)
@36/krad, I think they missed the biggest opportunity with that cameo. DP should have totally said, “Hey, it’s Stan Lee”.
I’m glad the movie didn’t use the Rob Liefeld version of the character. If they had, the whole CGI budget would have been needed to make his muscles bulge, and his feet appear tiny. ;-)
@24 – Keith, as a side project I have a spreadsheet that lists ever Marvel/DC movie by release date with how long they were from their initial creation to movie as a calculated date. If I recall correctly, “Howard the Duck” won.
I haven’t updated it for the most recent films (and there is a LOT of questions as to how you’d do the calculation in a fair way), but it was a fun little project. I had hoped to use it to create some sort of post about it on some major website that likes writers that write about comic book movies, but I never got around to doing much with it in prose and it’s a bit boring to people other than me.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hhGfljTZpOQVC_hvHSZmvXwGyLBXLoDdj9WyPVS63TQ/edit?usp=sharing
@41: Amen, brother! God, the ‘90s did well and truly suck when it came to comics. Between Liefeld’s “no amount of guns, pouches and veiny muscles is excessive” art philosophy and lack of knowledge of anatomy (seriously, every nose that man has ever drawn is completely identical), the barely dressed “bad girls” and the gimmicks Uber alles philosophy (now with a hologram trifold glow-in-the-Dark cover with three variants!), the medium did its damndest to deserve the collapse it eventually got.
Deadpool succeeded despite Liefeld – not because of him. Hell, Wade Wilson’s name is a deliberate tip of the hat to the fact that Liefeld essentially ripped off the design from DC’s Deathstroke (aka Slade Wilson).
@43, the ’90s didn’t suck for comics. There was a fair amount of shit, yes, but there was also a tremendous amount of brilliance. Planetary, Authority, Preacher, Hitman, Transmetropolitan, Kingdom Come just to name a few. The “barely dressed ‘bad girls'” phase was a small part of comics during the ’90s, though it got a lot of attention. I worked in a comic book store from ’95 – ’99, there was a lot of advancement of comics towards social acceptability.
@44: Yeah I was being overly general. I forgot that stuff like Kurt Busiek’s Avengers and Thunderbolts runs (not to mention Marvels) started in the ‘90s too. My bad. That said, those (and the examples you cited) almost feel like a pushback against what I was talking about in my previous post.
I would have called the sequel “Deadpool 3”, and included many references in it to the lurid events of the unreleased and indeed non-existent Deadpool 2.
@46, that would have been brilliant. Too Much Coffee Man did that, he was slow to get out the next issue and felt he should be on a higher number, so he skipped a few, and then made references to the missed ones. Also did it to mess with collectors.
I was mildly annoyed by how they used Negasonic Teenage Warhead’s name for an entirely unrelated character – not because the original character was a big deal, she had a very small role in the comic, but just because I thought it was a pretty good joke by Grant Morrison: if you have a school full of mutant teenagers and you ask them to pick their own code names, some of them will make up names related to their powers, but more likely they’ll just pick their favorite band.
Can’t really complain though, since she’s great in the movie.
@46/Gareth: That might’ve backfired, since too many people in the audience wouldn’t get the joke and would drive themselves crazy trying to find the nonexistent “second” film. This has happened before — Bill Cosby once released a spy-movie spoof called Leonard Part 6, with the joke being that Parts 1 to 5 were too highly classified to release, and a lot of viewers didn’t understand that the “earlier” films had never existed. (Although that was the least of its problems — it was a massive flop and is notoriously awful.)
Sigh. I really have to get it together and watch this. I ignored it because: a/I’m not an X-Men fan and don’t watch X-Men movies, and b/Green Lantern. It appears that I’d really enjoy it. I love both fourth wall breaking and Baccarin.
@49, that movie was truly wretched, from beginning to end. I don’t think there was a single redeemable moment, or at least not that I can remember.
re: 7.
twels: The movie is very true to the source material, so if you don’t like the comics version, you’re unlikely to be able to get your arms around the cinematic version, either. :) —Keith R.A. DeCandido
I think I’m the exception to this rule. I absolutely hate the comic book version of Deadpool, but I loved the movie. Go figure.
Bobby
Deadpool 2 was an answer (question) on tonight’s Jeopardy
As someone both queer and kinky, I like both kinds of representation, although I think Deadpool could do with a little less talk and a tiny bit of action with the former. But I like there IS talk.
This movie did a great job of making me, not a comics fan, love the character. And it seems to hold up for those who love the comic, characters and truly appreciate the background. I find regular superhero comics too simplistic – yes, I know some character development happens with the better ones, but I’m not going to read hundreds of them to keep up with the glacial pace.
For the more “complex” characters, they’re often too dark (and stuck there barely evolving for ages, until maybe some deus ex machina gets them out). Movie-Deadpool meets the Goldilocks principle for me, because I don’t expect too much from the format, and I’m mainly there for entertainment.
I agree that they could stand to do a hell of a lot more with Baccarin, and that they do so next time. I was hoping it would be the case with the 2nd movie, but alas, not so much. At least they didn’t fridge her.
I’d rather see an Ambush Bug movie.
I think this film is appreciated as a comedy but underrated as an action film. That opening scene with the fist fight inside a car/traffic accident is one of the most exciting action scenes I’ve seen (the subsequent counting down the bullets is more comedy). I’d have loved to see more of that.
@49 Whatever happened to Big Hero 5?
I like 4th wall breaking and well done parody, so I get a kick out of the movie, as well as how it fits in with/spoofs the X-franchise as it feels like. I remember the Stewart/McAvoy line getting a chuckle from me, but I forgot until you mentioned it about his Hugh Jackman “mask”.
CLB @49
Leonard Part 6 and Ice Pirates (or was it Spacehunter?) were the only movies I walked out of halfway through after spending good money to see them. Heck, I made it through Reno Williams, which was aggressively mediocre
@59 Hey now, don’t you go dissing Ice Pirates.
Keith, I would like to point out that New Mutants 98 was not the first appearance of Domino. It was the first appearance of Copycat pretending to be Domino. The real Domino didn’t appear until X-Force 8.
@49 I’ve heard that, for actual fans of the Leisure Suit Larry games, LSL 4: The Missing Floppies, worked out alright, but other than that, some people will just not get some jokes. Like me joking that “That movie ruined the name of Bill Cosby worse than anything ever could have”. (I’m not even expecting more than a sigh for THAT one.)
From a ‘queer’ standpoint, I honestly think the next movie does better on that subject. Negasonic has a gf, so I am led to believe, there’s a bait-and-switch comment about DP being surprised she actually could date ANYONE with her personality, and it’s kind of just … there. You know?
Speaking of which, Joss Whedon had the absolute best line regarding NTW in Astonishing X-Men: “Who’s the kid?” “Negasonic Teenage Warhead.” “Wow. We really have run out of names.” Of course that was said by Willow Black Widow Kitty.
Steven McMullan: I never said NM 98 was the first appearance of Domino. I said the issue introduced the character of Domino. :)
—Keith R.A. DeCandido, who picks his words with care
There’s a story drifting around that Reynolds’ first introduction to Deadpool came when filming something (possibly Blade III), and a random on-set security guard handed him a comic to read while the actors were waiting for a camera set-up.
I like to imagine that the security guard looked just like Stan Lee.
@29 – jaimew: That’s cool, I’m not queer myself, and I can’t dictate how others, much less queer people, feel about this. I just think it doubles down on certain old stereotypes that are hamrful, at least for the time being when we don’t actually have many queer superheroes on mainstream media, much less in blockbuster films (none at all, unless you count WW, and I doubt they’ll do more with her along those lines in the films). And yes, I know being queer is not a kink.
@49 – Chris: Back in the early 90s, after seeing what is now one of my favorite films, Mel Brook’s History of the World, Part 1, I went to several video rental stores trying to find part 2, as was promised by the trailer at the end of the film:
http://nojetpack.thecomicstrip.org/comics/82/
@65: If I recall, the “kink” is largely presented during the “Calendar Girl” montage between Wade and Vanessa, and has nothing to do with his “queerness”.
@Magnus: I do recognize what you’re saying. I think I may be biased because I *really* liked the “Deadpool” film. Neither the original comic(s) or even the film, IIRC, were really meant to be “mainstream,” but they have kind of gained that status, especially with “Deadpool 2.”
I really *hope* Wonder Woman’s Queerness is made more explicit in the next WW film. Since it’s apparently set during the 1980s, during which second-wave feminism was very prevalent, I *could* see Wonder Woman theoretically challenging the heteronormative ideals she found outside Themyscira by being more open about her Queer identity. But this is my head-canon and agree with you that her Queerness is far more likely to be addressed obliquely, just like in the first film. *humph*
I have actually written an article about Queering the “Supergirl” television show. It is coming out in a McFarland Press book (the publication has been delayed, so I’m not sure exactly when it will be available). However, I think there is a space in mainstream superhero media for Queerness.
@LaurWulf: I know the scene you mean, and I think it’s open for interpretation. Without getting too graphic here, one month Vanessa uses…certain s3x toys that resemble some features of people who are assigned male at birth into their s3x life. Some people might see that as a kink. Other people might see that as part of Deadpool’s pansexuality; he is open to different kinds of experiences beyond heteronormative s3x. (And while I’m a cisgender woman, I’m also aware that Queer men do not necessarily engage in that particular s3xual act.)
It can be read as kink, or it can be read at part of Deadpool’s Queer identity. I don’t want to give any spoilers for “Deadpool 2,” but I personally think that in light of the sequel it’s the latter. I also read (and this may be anecdotal) that Reynolds pretty much insisted that Deadpool’s pansexuality be more explicit in the sequel
Watched this film last year as an in-flight movie on a Garuda Indonesia flight. It had been censored to bring it into line with Muslim sensibilities.
The result was…. brief.
@65/MaGnUs, I did that with Bakshi’s Lord of the Rings vol. 1. Wasn’t until years later that I found out it was followed by Rankin & Bass’s Return of the King.
@67 – jaimew: I wouldn’t hold your breath about WW1984. Supergirl is a good example on TV, yes, as is Runaways. Congrats on your article.
@68 – ajay: Now I wanna watch that.
@69 – BonHed: I feel your pain.
@68 Same thing happened to me with “The Shape Of Water” on an Etihad Flight, though I still got a coherent story. They had Red Sparrow as one of the options too, I’ve not seen it yet but given its marketing I can’t imagine there was significant cutting going on.
Same thing happened to me with “The Shape Of Water” on an Etihad Flight, though I still got a coherent story.
I’m not sure I got that and I saw it in the cinema.
As a video editor, I’d just like to point out that this movie was edited and color graded in prosumer Adobe Premiere and SpeedGrade. Which is awesome that prosumer products have come that far.
I loved this film. Couldn’t stop laughing from the opening minutes. I love the way that, while I was watching the movie it didn’t feel like low budget at all. It’s only afterwards that I realised how they made that possible, with clever choices like Deadpool taking *all* the guns, but leaving them in the car, or making one of the huge action sequences last forever almost the whole movie by breaking it up using the flashbacks. Genius. :)
One of the behind-the-scenes facts I like most about the film concerns the opening sequence. Apparently the animators for that, when doing the “proof-of-concept” they popped in placeholder text like “God’s perfect Idiot” and “A British Villain” for laughs, and they makers found it so funny they decided to keep the text as is and have the writers come up with more…