Here’s the deal: We can talk about Avengers: Age of Ultron as a film, or we can talk about it as a piece of the Marvel Cinematic Universe jigsaw puzzle. As a film, it’s a fun action flick with some deeply hilarious plot contrivances. (It’s inevitable with these sorts of stories, really.) As the next step in the MCU arc, it is a joyful smash of all the things that you like in the same place.
See what I did there?
Spoilers for Avengers: Age of Ultron.
Sequels are hard. They’re hard mainly because the thing that you did the first time is no longer new. So when I see less-than-stellar reviews of this film, I’m hardly surprised. When The Avengers happened, no one had done what Marvel did, particularly in the vein of massive continuity soldering between a network of films. It was exciting. But because they’re just going to keep piling more stuff onto the super sundae, it’s only going to get more complex. If you’re not in these films for that specific purpose, Age of Ultron might not grab you.
It’s worth noting that Joss Whedon’s original cut of the movie was about an hour longer and had an alternate ending. That does account for places where the narrative clearly needed more explanation. Thor’s vision quest in the middle there, information on the Maximoff twins, a certain level of background and clarity is missing from the film. While the deleted scenes from The Avengers were best left on the cutting room floor, I wouldn’t be surprised if an extended cut for Ultron worked wonders toward restoring a more comprehensive tale.
The opening sequence is really hard to throw stones at, though. The battle against Baron von Strucker’s forces feels like it’s right out of the pages of your favorite team-up comics. It’s pretty much everything we want from our crew—we see them working together seamlessly, bantering and ribbing each other, keeping each other safe. Everyone gets their moments to show why they’re the best at what they do, and the choreography is gorgeous. (Throw all the motorcycles at people, Cap!) They get their hands on Loki’s scepter, get introduced to those meddlesome Maximoff kids, and get out of dodge because Hawkeye got himself shot. (Aw, Clint. Of course you did.)
We find that the scepter contains one of the Infinity Stones, but J.A.R.V.I.S. perceives it as a sort of hyper-sophisticated computer. When Tony compares that “mind” with J.A.R.V.I.S.’, he’s blown away by its complexity and so is Bruce. Tony decides to take this model and lay it over his Ultron matrix—a peacekeeping program that would be applied to the Iron Legion drones. Of course, Tony is stepping up his plans in creating this and not including the team because Wanda messed with his brain and showed him a future where aliens are destroying the Earth and all his friends are dead. (All except Cap, who woefully calls out to Tony about how this is all his fault. Because even though Tony wants to pretend he doesn’t care about Cap all that much, we all know the sad, sad truth.)
Ultron manages to awaken while everyone’s partying and dispatches J.A.R.V.I.S., creating his own body. The character’s design is interesting, far more expressive than I went in expecting. James Spader does a killer job with what he’s given, and the result makes Ultron feel like a more legitimate threat than he might have. He’s got actual personality for a big bad villain, although it is overwritten at times.
The party that he emerges into is really what you wish half of the movie could be, just teasing and drinking and all these characters being around each other as real people instead of archetypes. Thor and Tony argue about who has the better girlfriend. (Thor’s dialogue throughout this movie is half the reason it is enjoyable. He’s just perfect. He is a bundle of golden-retriever-like extreme weather patterns.) Rhodey tries to tell epic stories that do not impress his super friends. Sam lets Steve know that the trail is cold on the Winter Soldier front. Then the team hangs out after hours and all take their turns trying to lift Mjolnir. Bruce and Natasha have something of a heart-to-heart, and we see that Dr. Banner is about as good with advances as you’d expect for a guy who spends the majority of his time trying to avoid people.
So there’s an awesome thing about this movie that’s also an awkward thing about this movie. It does a great job at showing that the relationships we saw in The Avengers between this sprawling group of people have built up over time. Tony and Bruce—or Science Bros, as the fandom hath dubbed them—have a comfortable friendship and working rapport. The actual posturing between Steve and Tony has stepped down to posturing on pretense or for laughs. (Soon to become actual posturing again, since Civil War is coming.) Thor and Steve have a clear and easy dynamic; Clint is the snarky-but-beloved pain in the backside who everyone loves to needle; Maria Hill has stepped into the position of Home Base Operator, and everyone is clearly happy to have her there. What makes this awkward, of course, is not getting to see that in-between time when these bonds were being created. It leaves us with so many questions about how the team functions, how protocols were put into place, how certain decisions were made.
These questions are thrown into sharper relief when we consider the relationship that has formed between Bruce Banner and Natasha Romanov.
Now, there was already an understandable fan backlash that came during the Age of Ultron press tour when Jeremy Renner and Chris Evans flippantly called Black Widow’s character a “slut” and a “total whore” after a predictably trite interview question over Widow’s romantic ping-pong game in these films. Looking at it now (and I have to reiterate that those comments were still emphatically not cool), their cavalier attitude toward the question is interestingly situated—because Avengers: Age of Ultron makes it perfectly clear that, outside of Bruce Banner, Natasha has had no romantic attachments to any of these men whatsoever. Whedon basically retconned his own narrative in the first Avengers film, which distinctly implied romantic feelings between Widow and Hawkeye (helpfully supported by comics canon, where the two have been involved in the past).
This new direction is handily exploited when Clint takes everyone to a safe house, following a pretty bad lose for the team in Wakanda, and we find out that not only does Hawkeye have a farm—he has a wife and two (soon-to-be-three) children. Which he kept from the Avengers. And S.H.I.E.L.D. In fact, it would seem that apart from Nick Fury and Natasha, no one knows about them at all. And because Clint explains that he set this up as a safe place for his family as soon as he joined S.H.I.E.L.D., we know that he has always been married as long as he’s known Natasha.
What that does is cast an entirely new light on Natasha’s actions toward saving Clint in the first Avengers film. At the beginning of Ultron, she refers to Clint as her “best friend,” and we now see that that’s precisely what they are to each other. The person they can lean on when the other gets banged up, the person who they can tell all of their secrets to. When Loki asks “Is this love, Agent Romanov?” and she brushes it aside, it’s because the “debt” that she owes him is a different kind. Clint is her family. His family is her family. She is not about to tell his wife, her friend, that she couldn’t bring Clint home.
Suddenly, you have to wonder whether that arrow necklace we saw Widow wearing in Captain America: Winter Soldier was a gift from Clint’s kids to their “Aunt Natasha.” (Are you weeping yet? You should be, I’ll feel less alone that way.) You have to wonder if that farm wasn’t the first place Clint took Natasha after recruiting her over to S.H.I.E.L.D. Someplace where she could try to heal and feel safe. And you begin to realize that Clint and Natasha’s relationship is much more akin to Steve and Bucky’s—a partner who you’re with ’til the end of the line.
Natasha and Steve are similarly situated, though obviously less close; for all that there were fans crying for them to pair up, nothing about their friendship in Winter Soldier really reads romantically—she spends the whole film trying to set him up with other women. Steve also admits in Ultron that he can tell the difference between Natasha flirting with people as it applies to her skill set and what she’s like when she is truly comfortable around someone. Which he says to indicate that she’s comfortable with Bruce, following that attempted heart-to-heart at the Tower Party.
So the script of Ultron goes out of its way to show that Natasha is not bouncing from one romantic partner to another. And that actually makes sense with regard for what we know about her; it was really only after Winter Soldier that Natasha began to think of herself as anything but someone else’s tool. But she’s still struggling with it—in fact, she finds herself relating to Bruce because she sees a similarity between the two of them, both people who fear what they perceive to be a monster within themselves. It’s a wonderful flip of their relationship in The Avengers, which saw them each representing what the other feared most: for Widow, the unknown quantities that the world was being plunged toward (“monsters and magic and everything that we were never trained for”); for Hulk, the faceless organizations who sought to cage and control him.
Now they have arrived at a sort of détente: Natasha has become the person on the team responsible for “The Lullaby” (guessing Tony came up with that nickname, since he is the Nickname King). She approaches the Hulk and goes through a series of planned phrases and gestures that allow Bruce to focus and calm down enough to de-green. It seems likely that she was chosen for that particular duty as a way of building trust between the two of them on the team, but it’s such a shame that we don’t get more background on it. What we do know is that seeing more of Dr. Banner has changed Natasha’s attitude toward him significantly. But it’s relevant that while Bruce still cannot see the mixed blessing that the Hulk can be, Natasha is well aware of it. When he thinks of running in the final battle, Natasha triggers his transformation because she knows they need him. What’s interesting is that she is the only person who feels comfortable in removing that choice from him; everyone else on the team clearly has an understanding that Bruce only fights if he decides he’s going to fight.
It’s important that Natasha—like Tony, Bruce’s closest friend on the team, and pointedly another person who sees value in the Hulk—knows that the Other Guy is needed because Bruce cannot see the subtlety of the green guy on his own. He doesn’t see the Hulk’s protective streak toward others, or indeed that the Hulk is guarding him. The Other Guy’s actions in this movie do nothing so much as confirm what Tony suggested in The Avengers; that the Hulk’s creation in that fateful gamma radiation accident is what saved Bruce’s life. When Wanda gets in the Hulk’s head, he terrorizes a Wakandan city, but when he comes to, he is clearly disturbed by his actions. It’s only when he sees weapons leveled at him that he starts to get angry again—because he perceives a threat. The same is true for his final actions in the film; it is poignant that the Hulk is the one who shuts Natasha out when she asks him to pilot the stealth ship back to the hellicarrier, not Bruce. The Hulk is protecting him, or at least means to do so.
The creation of Vision is another place where the film’s heart rests. Tony Stark is trying to put a suit of armor around the world, but he makes one dear mistake in calculating that trajectory; he still, after all this time, doesn’t trust himself. He creates Ultron out of ultimately alien technology, noting that its mind is far more advanced that what he has already created. But in favor of the science, he ignores the flesh and blood aspect, he ignores the goodness in himself and what he has already accomplished. J.A.R.V.I.S. may not be as advanced as Ultron, but he has everything that Tony has given him… among those characteristics are an appreciation of humanity, wonder, compassion, and kindness. That J.A.R.V.I.S. becomes the blueprint for Vision should surprise no one. All the things that made J.A.R.V.I.S. unique—laid across a more complex mental circuitry—create a being of tremendous power, but also provide the philosophical framework for a being who sees the value of benevolence. And… you’d have to. Taking care of Tony Stark all those years.
Tony and Steve can argue it all they want, but that’s ultimately what allows Vision the ability to lift the hammer. Which, I mean, I was pulling for it to be Widow, but if it couldn’t be her, that was basically the other best option. (And she never bothered to lift it anyway, so… I live in hope.) Also, can we talk about how the reason why Vision has a cape is to homage his other daddy, Thor? I mean, Tony and Bruce create Ultron together, but Vision is basically a three-parent process, and you’ve got to be tickled by the fact that he decides to honor it.
Captain America’s development is this film is markedly more subtle, but you can really see the seeds there of what’s coming in the Civil War arc. What Wanda manages to unearth for Steve (and Ultron smartly jibes at), deals with his inability to function outside of a battlefield, to know himself anywhere else. In the vision she reveals, Steve arrives for his dance with Peggy but the war is there on the floor (spilled red wine in the place of blood, flashbulbs from cameras in place of grenades), and the everything vanishes. By the end of the film, Steve is telling Tony that he wanted a home, a family, and quiet life like Clint’s before he went into the ice. But the guy who came out wants to stay here and train Avengers. And that’s surely going to affect him going forward.
Poor Wanda and Pietro really don’t get much time to shine in this, and it’s unfortunate only for the fact that it squelches the impact of Quicksilver’s death. Whedon does his usual bait-and-swtich, telegraphing hard that Hawkeye is the one for the noose, but we’re landed with Pietro instead, and we don’t really know him well enough to feel the loss. We can glimpse some of it through Wanda, but her whole “I’m tearing out your heart” bit with Ultron is pretty contrived no matter how you cut it. At least we got Scarlet Witch out of the deal for future films—here’s hoping that she gets more to do, so we can really get the measure of her. Really not sure about those accents, though. Did they sound accurate to anyone? They seemed dodgy to me.
There are so many little bits and pieces here designed to shout out to the other movies, and a lot of them are wonderfully subtle. Except the hellicarrier. Everyone better get over it, we will never not have a hellicarrier available in the MCU, just get used to it now so it doesn’t bug you in the future. While some may not be pleased over Nick Fury’s role in things, it makes sense to me to have him around, perhaps moreso in an unofficial capacity. He’s the best person to tell everyone to dust off their boots and get back in the ring. Always. And he’s dead useful (get it? because people think he’s dead, haha, I’m the best) to have on the back burner because he knows literally EVERYONE and everyone basically loves him? So you know, Fury away.
And with the departure of Thor (to deal with the coming Ragnarok) and Tony (to focus on things that don’t involve him taking responsibility for the entire world all the time—ahaha, as if) and Bruce (to be available wherever a Marvel movie has a Hulk-shaped hole), we get an image of what’s to come. Steve and Natasha (and probably Clint once baby Nathaniel Pietro Barton is less baby-like) training new recruits, and keeping the Avengers available to the world in a crisis. The new lineup features Scarlet Witch, Vision, War Machine, and Falcon—because that’s right, Sam Wilson said the Avengers was “Steve’s thing,” but you know when he got that call he was like IT’S ABOUT DAMN TIME LET ME FLY OVER IT’LL ONLY TAKE LIKE FIFTEEN MINUTES. This new team is beautiful. Who knows what’ll happen to them—fair to assume that by the time we hit Infinity War, everyone is going to be recalled and on the docket—but it’s just so exciting to see them.
So, you know, emotions? Teamwork? Funtimes? Really, it’s just a little distressing to know that Civil War is up next when most of the team seems to have arrived at a relatively stable place. But whatever its flaws, Age of Ultron is better than a roller coaster, and gives MCU fans plenty to chew on.
Emmet Asher-Perrin just really needed to walk by and high-five Steve when he told Sam that Brooklyn was too expensive for him to live in anymore because it means so much to her that Captain America knows this. You can bug her on Twitter and Tumblr, and read more of her work here and elsewhere.









You know what we need before Infinity Wars? a short film of Thanos being a world-shattering villian. Maybe have him pursuing the Soul or Time gem and flattening the Starjammers in the process, then as he floats through the rocky debris of the planet, he picks up the gem and says “All too easy”
Because right now there’s not really any menace to him on screen. He needs his character development as well.
@1 – I’d had the impression since their big timeline reveal that – since there aren’t any other movies that would obviously cover Thanos in between – that in the grand tradition of two-part movies, Pt1 would be all about building Thanos up and giving him an actual plot. It’d go hand-in-hand with his putting the glove together.
The twins’ accent sounded like an attempt at a Croatian accent. If you’re thinking “Russian”, because what American doesn’t think “Russian” when they hear a Slavic speaker, then it will sound really off.
I went and saw this solo, because I knew that I would do exactly what I did – to throw myself wholeheartedly into the story and get swept along on the crazy ride. The part where Vision handed Thor his hammer drew applause from the nearly full theater that I was watching in.
@1 – I can agree with that. I think it’d be good if they had him actually play a part in the next GotG movie. They’re already out running around in space where they could make contact with him, and it’d be /easy/ to have them be trying to protect one Infinity Stone, only to realize post credits that he snagged a second when they weren’t looking.
Did any other Bujold fans get Borders of Infinity feels when they were evacutating the floating city? And general Miles saving people feels? Which made Quicksilver’s abrupt end serious mood whiplash.
I wonder if GotG2 won’t end up being a victory/loss type of scenario. Like the Guardians save the day (Adam Warlock is saved from destruction or something?) but the upshot is that Thanos makes off with the Infinity Stone that he was after.
As for Age of Ultron, I enjoyed it a lot. I was very glad to see Emily point out things that some other reviewers seemed to be missing – just because some folks read “romance” into Black Widow’s interactions in the prior films didn’t mean they were so. It seemed to me that the filmmakers were always very careful to avoid anything overtly romance-based for her previously.
Favorite quote, Hawkeye after Pietro grabs Wanda and says “Keep up old man.”
(Drawing back arrow pointed at Pietro): “Nobody would know. ‘Oh, yeah, Ultron was on him, very sad. He’ll be missed.’ Quick little bastard.”
It’s a lot of movie to unpack. Random thoughts:
1) I have have never read any comics with The Vision in them, and very few with the Scarlet Witch. X-Men are more in my wheelhouse than the Avengers. So I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked them. The Vision in particular is a marvelously eerie presence; if the movie wasn’t so packed he would be the centerpiece. On the other hand, maybe his relatively small presence enhances his mystery.
2) Peoples’ takeson the Bruce and Natasha relationship seems to be all over the place. I liked it. Particularly because it offered so much definition to Natasha. She is intentionally the most mysterious member of the team, so even though she has actually been in more films than the Hulk, we know a lot less of her.
I’m disappointed that some people have been reading her confessions about the Red Room as crudely as “I can’t have kids so I’m a monster.” Their conversations were operating at a much more subtle level than that–two people who have spent much of their lives controlling their emotions are trying to awkwardly be honest. Part of that honesty is acknowledging that their lives are not entirely within their own control.
3) OK I guess people were right about the sceptre being another Infinity Stone. Thanos’ long game makes literally no sense to me here, why does that dude keep handing those out like candy to untrustworthy minions? Loki is literally the god of lies, why do you trust that guy with not one but TWO of the most powerful items in the universe? Some people have read into it that Thanos was partly responsible for creating Ultron, but I don’t really see how that works.
4) Cap’s development here is pretty subtle. Bruce and Natasha struggle with their natures, but Steve seems to have found purpose in his. He knows what he has lost–and instead of fighting that, he uses it.
5 )Peggy Carter cameos are ALWAYS good.
6) I liked the emphasis placed on saving people, but sometimes it felt like they were overcompensating a bit.
Natasha really got the short end of the stick in this film. We’ve built up in all previous 4 that she is aware of her past and at peace with it. In Avengers that was her thing, not that she regretted her past, but that she owed Barton. In Winter Soldier its even more explicit – she has done some horrible things, and is at peace with it. Here, nope, turns out she isn’t, its her “deepest fear”, and everything gets erased.
Her relationship with Bruce is even more borked. The background to her is that she’s the Black Widow – she uses attraction to get people to where she wants them, and then manipulates/interrogates/betrays/kills them. His is a lack of trust, that the Hulk can’t be trusted, and that he can’t trust others and organizations that want to weaponize the Hulk. So then we get to the end where Bruce has come running to free Natasha because he cares about her and… she uses his attraction to her to unleash the Hulk against his wishes because she wants a weapon. I mean holy cow, no wonder the Hulk runs away, its everything he feared being laid out as clearly true.
Vision picking up the hammer had nothing to do with any goodness in Tony, it is because he was an innocent. The others weren’t worthy because they were all killers. The film was pretty clear there. More to the point, they all kill because it is the way to their goal. Thor (post getting the hammer back) does it in defense of others – fighting the rock guy saved the village, he didn’t kill Malekith, and in the assault on the base he doesn’t kill anyone. Vision, being all of about a minute old, is innocent of all things, and thus able to lift it.
Vision was born of 6 people btw, yoyu left off Cho, Ultron, and JARVIS. That seems pedantic, but his “birth”, contrasted with Ultron’s is pretty important to the film. Ultron was born in darkness, alone and restrained. He is scared His first question is about a body, because he is trapped. He then blows thorugh the press clippings on Tony (setting his model for human behavior – and the bulk of the press clippings are about Tony being a weapons dealer and snarky ass, because that’s who he was for most of his life) , going throught he background of the Avengers (whoare all, as he points out, killers), and then blasting through 10 millenia of war and all its horrors. Its no wonder he is fucked up. Contrast that with Vision, who is born in a body, brought forth in a lit room, surrounded by others. His first sensory experience was seeing the city, appreciating the marvel of human creation, and then he is allowed to define himself. He meets people though meeting them, not being innundated with their past. He gets to see the literal great heights the millions of individuals come together to build, instead of monsterous atrocity after atrocity. It is completely at odds with Ultron, and why they ended up so different.
And I’m just annoyed we got another case of “Wheldon feminism” that people are going to hold up as good instead of just being another brand of toxic. Women, no matter how accomplished they are, are still relegated to being status symbols for men, and being a good woman is down to your genitals and your ability to have kids. Murdering mystery men with bags over the head, that’s not he problem. Can’t have kids, that makes you “a monster”
Noblehunter.
Yes. I made that connection, too. Only for me Quicksilver was Sgt. Beatrice.
@mister_dk: Them being killers wasn’t the reason at all. Thor is a killer. If fact any reasoning you could apply to Thor can apply to Cap. The reason Cap could budge it but not lift it was doubt. He is a man out of time and doesn’t understand his place. The reason The Vision could lift it was….android not innocence. The Vision did not get the “Power of Thor” when he lifted the hammer because of that fact.
It’s a great pity that Ultron was completely destroyed because James Spader was the best thing about this movie. At times he sounded a bit too much like Raymond Reddington from the Blacklist, but that was as much the writing as the performance (Keep your friends rich and your enemies richer until you find out which is which sounds like something Red might say) and he was just overall a hoot. RIP Ultron.
@8: I’ve seen that argument about Natasha being a monster because she can’t have children in other AoU discussions, and I totally don’t buy it. Natasha’s worried that she’s a monster because that’s what the Red Room made her to be, and sterilizing her was one more way that they took away her option to be anything *but* their monster – she doesn’t even have the biological “job option” of mother to fall back on. All she has is her very specific skill set. And the “women as status symbols for men” argument doesn’t play with any of the other women in the film: Hill, Dr. Cho, Wanda, Laura.
@8:
Why is it that when someone makes a statement about themselves, you want to equate it with the writer speaking a societal truth? Its almost always the opposite in hollywood, especially with heroes: the statements they make about themselves are false, and the audience is supposed to know that. Its a way of making a heroic character “vulnerable” and make the audience sympathize with them. In real life people use it to sympathy bait. Not that that’s what Romanov is doing here. She really believes that about herself. But that doesn’t make her belief RIGHT, nor is that the intended message. Quite the opposite.
Natasha doesn’t feel she’s a monster because she can’t procreate. She feels she’s a monster because /it’s easy for her to kill/. It’s not about her ability to have a choice, it’s because she voluntarily gave that choice to bad people, and did it knowingly because it would make her job easier and she’s long since acknowledged that she does bad things for reasons.
There’s probably some regret there, that she made/went along with that choice at such an early age, but that’s not what makes her a monster. That’s what makes her complex.
I really enjoyed this movie. It was fun, funny and all kinds of exciting. Good summary/analysis/review by Emily as well. She brought up some pretty interesting points I hadn’t considered, especially about Black Widow/her relationships, and Vision/why he was worthy to pick up Mjolnir (and on 2 separate occasions).
Quick nit, though. I don’t agree with Natasha’s actions in forcing the Hulk to help and taking the choice away from Bruce. If you love someone, you shouldn’t force them to do what you want. Banner offered to have Natasha run away with him; I think it’s fair to believe that if she had just told him why she (and the world) needed the Hulk one more time (you know, to stop Ultron from eliminating all life on Earth), Banner would have gone Code Green one more time. I think that is the reason why the Hulk ultimately took off and left.
The Hulk does protect Banner (like Tony said and Emily kindly pointed out); and in this case it was protecting Banner from being with someone who can/did exploit Banner for their own means (no matter how noble) instead of talking to him and trusting him to do what’s right. Maybe if they run into each other again, Natasha will discover that loving someone is about trusting them to make the right choice if you ask them to (I actually see parallels to Prof Xavier’s growth in his treatment of Mystique in the Days of Future Past movie, but that’s a discussion for another time), not forcing them into it.
On a more fun “Did you catch that” moment: I liked how, when Tony was going through his other programs to replace Jarvis –and where he ultimately picked FRIDAY- we saw that one of the other options was labeled JOCASTA. Nice little Easter egg there.
Them being killers wasn’t the reason at all.
It is flat out stated as the reason. It’s Ultron’s first observation as he walks on the scene.
And the “women as status symbols for men” argument doesn’t play with any of the other women in the film: Hill, Dr. Cho, Wanda, Laura.
Please explain how the Tony and Thor comparing “which one is better” as a way to compare their status is in any way not reducing Pepper and Jane down to being status symbols. “But they didn’t do it in other scenes” doesn’t change the fact that there was a scene set up entirely around that.
Why is it that when someone makes a statement about themselves, you want to equate it with the writer speaking a societal truth?
When it is a theme that matches what the writer puts out in product after product, even when they are unconnected, it’s a pretty good indicator that it is what the writer believes.
Natasha doesn’t feel she’s a monster because she can’t procreate. She feels she’s a monster because /it’s easy for her to kill/.
The movie explicitly disagrees with you. The scene shows her executing amystery man and undergoing surgery, and then she states its the surgery, not the murder, that makes her a monster.
On Wanda and Pietro’s accents, I thought she sounded like she was in a bad vampire movie. It was just very annoying.
I like the Banner/Widow pairing, but the execution on screen was rather abrupt. There’s got to be a lot Whedon left on the cutting room floor. Come on, Director’s Cut!
The problem I have with Age of Ultron is that there so many pieces to keep track of that I feel the movie doesn’t properly depict a cohesive dramatic arc. It’s too bloated, too many small arcs. When they get defeated in Africa, it doesn’t feel like the loss it should have been. Emotionally, the film feels off, especially comings on the heels of both Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy, both brilliantly characterized emotional rollercoasters.
Of course, it doesn’t help that the biggest death is wasted on Quicksilver, who was barely a character at all who we never got to know (Aaron Johnson certainly didn’t help with his one-note performance). Granted, it gives Wanda a purpose and sets her up for future films, which is why setting up Clint for the fall instead felt cheap. Whedon has done this better back in his shows (most notably Warren shooting both Buffy and Tara).
It’s got to be a challenge to put such a film together under so many Marvel Universe constraints. No wonder Joss felt so drained by the end.
Having said all of that, it’s not a bad film at all and there were plenty of good moments, most of them character-wise. The action felt uninspired, though, with the exception of that great opening teaser.
@9 Ow. Ow ow ow.
Clint going back for the kid was such a Milesian thing to do, too.
I read the sterility thing as being about a lack of choice; about the loss of a future. It has nothing to do with her being a monster. Doesn’t she reveal it to Bruce to try convince him that he isn’t a monster?
@16 I usually find if it’s the villain saying something, it should be treated with skepticism. My opinion is that Cap couldn’t lift the hammer because it was a bloody party trick and Mjolnir doesn’t like that.
Please explain how the Tony and Thor comparing “which one is better” as a way to compare their status is in any way not reducing Pepper and Jane down to being status symbols. “But they didn’t do it in other scenes” doesn’t change the fact that there was a scene set up entirely around that.
All I took from that was that Tony and Thor think their girlfriends are totally awesome and want everyone to know how awesome they are–in a competitive way, yeah, but with the emphasis on “she is the awesomest” rather than “I am the awesomest for having attracted her.” I thought it was adorable.
@16:
It’s Ultron’s first observation as he walks on the scene.
Ultron is neither omniscient nor what I would regard as a reliable narrator. That’s an effective line, and true as a factual observation about the team, but hardly conclusive evidence regarding Mjollnir.
Please explain how the Tony and Thor comparing “which one is better” as a way to compare their status is in any way not reducing Pepper and Jane down to being status symbols. “But they didn’t do it in other scenes” doesn’t change the fact that there was a scene set up entirely around that.
See, I read that as (a) Whedon’s way of explaining why those characters are nowhere to be seen in this film, which – given their centrality in the lives of their partners – needed an explicit narrative; and (b) a way to show that Pepper and Jane, in fact, are *not* defined by their relationships to Stark and Thor – they’re busy with non-Avengers aspects of their own lives. It also let Whedon (through Hill) set up the “*cough*testosterone*cough*” joke as an overt acknowledgment of the “boys’ club” nature of the team, at least as configured at the beginning of the movie. I found it telling that the new Avengers team has two women, two men of color, and one synthetic person – Cap’s the only white man on the team. (And yes, he’s in charge, but that’s the Cap role regardless of color, as Falcon’s turn as Cap in recent Avengers comics makes clear.) But hey, you can read it however you’d like.
@mister_dk: No. Natasha says she was sterilized in response to Bruce saying that he can’t have a life of normal domesticity–she retorts that neither can she. Then she explaines WHY she was sterilized–to eliminate distractions from the mission. The mission is killing peolpe. Bruce is terrified of losing control, and hates hurting people–the Hulk is an accident. Becoming the Black Widow, a killing machine, was Natasha’s choice*.
*Not REALLY–she was certainly a child when she entered the program. Any ‘choice’ she had in the matter was hardly free. But that is how Natasha sees herself–as someone who willingly turned herself into a monster. Is it any wonder that she sees herself as the most monstrous member of the team?
Am I seriously the only person who noticed that, when Tony was typing in a code name for Vision, he wanted to name him F.R.I.D.A.Y.? As in, he wanted the perfect servant, but what he actually got was the perfect Rousseauian blank slate/noble savage?
Also, I’m calling it now: Vision is Peter Quill’s father. Sure, we need a little time-travel, but I’m really not sure that’s a problem with the setup that we’ve got.
(Not commenting on the massive Black Widow debate, not because it isn’t interesting, but because I don’t really have anything to add at this stage.)
I loved the movie, but I find it funny that it went almost directly opposite from what Whedon said he wanted to do after the first one. Instead of “going bigger”, he wanted to focus in more on the personal stakes. And though there were a lot of good personal moments, the pacing was so frenetic that it mostly got lost in servicing the overall plot – which went bigger!
Instead of a madman wanting to rule the earth, there was a mad robot wanting to destroy it! Instead of killing a SHIELD agent, we’ll kill an Avenger (sort of)! Instead of New York in ruins, Sokovia is straight up annihilated! Don’t get me wrong, I liked it, but I found that hilarious.
My favorite things –
1.) Ultron – though I think someone who hasn’t seen/heard Spader in the Blacklist would be better served, since it’s almost a straight up Red Reddington speech pattern. Fortunately, it’s fantastic. And no one mentions one of my favorite scenes, when he accidentally tears Klaw’s arm off in a rage, then gets awkward when he realizes it “Oh, I’m…I’m sure it’ll be fine…”
2.) Vision – Excellently realized. Didn’t have much of him, but what we had was awesome.
3.) Hawkeye’s family – I wasn’t prepared for that and I like the direction they went with it.
4.) Fury – Sure, it makes no sense that he can scrounge up a helicarrier and still has all these contacts even when he’s presumed dead, but it’s Sam Jackson, I’ll take it.
My “I’m not too sure about this” things –
1.) Banner and Romanov’s romance – It’s new and it was well acted, but I just don’t know how I like it. It took screen time that could have been spent elsewhere and I don’t know how much it added. Hulk could still have run off at the end without that. I’m ignoring all the people who seemed to believe that Natasha thinks she’s a monster because she can’t have kids, because they clearly aren’t paying attention and know nothing about her. She was equating herself to Banner to override his resistance to the idea of them being together and them both not being able to have kids AND them both being a monster were part of that, but it wasn’t a causal relationship. So shaddap.
2.) Thor’s skinny dipping – Kind of a clumsy way to sidetrack him by putting him in a pool that no one has heard of or referenced. And why would Selvig have heard of that, again? A little bizarre.
3.) The Death of Quicksilver – I know Whedon went for the fakeout of Hawkeye biting it here and then pulled a switcheroo, but really it just seems like a Whedon “there must be stakes” moment that wasn’t earned. Not enough people (except Wanda) actually care about Quicksilver. And I’m sorry, but I’m not buying Clint naming his son after the kid. Nope. Too quick, too perfunctory. Not good enough, Joss.
My least favorite –
Pacing. Everything moved much too fast and the movie couldn’t properly breathe because of it. Mark me down with the legions of fans calling for the longer director’s cut, which hopefully will help with this.
Still loved it overall and need to see it again.
@24: Am I seriously the only person who noticed that, when Tony was typing in a code name for Vision, he wanted to name him F.R.I.D.A.Y.? As in, he wanted the perfect servant, but what he actually got was the perfect Rousseauian blank slate/noble savage?
Not sure what you’re referring to here – F.R.I.D.A.Y. is the actual designation for the replacement voice interface that Stark is using after Vision’s birth, which I took to be a “girl Friday” reference rather than a Robinson Crusoe reference as such.
@24, @26: Actually, it’s a reference to another minor character from the comics.
@26-I can see Clint wanting to give his kid Pietro as a middle name because Pietro died saving Clint’s life (and the boy he was trying to rescue). Regarding his death, I’m a fan of comic-book Quicksilver, so his cinematic death ticked me off. :)
As for Natasha/Clint in the first Avengers-I didn’t see them as a couple. To me they seemed like 2 people who really understood each other, and really cared about each other, but not in a romantic way. So the possibility of Natasha & Bruce hooking up didn’t bother me at all. (And I totally loved the introduction of Clint’s family.)
Overall, I enjoyed the movie a lot.
I was worried by the reviews that the movie would be a big sprawling mess, but was pleasantly surprised to find it a big sprawling enjoyable mess. The plot hung together pretty well, despite all the distractions. And there were many great character moments, and little touches that were quite enjoyable.
While I like Whedon’s touch, I look forward to the Russo brothers’ more workmanlike approach on the next two Avenger’s films. A key indicator will be how Cap: Civil War works out. If they can keep all the elements the studio wants to load into that film straight, they can easily handle the next two Avengers films.
I am glad to see that my lifetime favorite, Cap, was well handled, and like the new team assembled at the end.
Of special note were our synthetic characters. Ultron was well animated, and Spader did a great job giving us a version of Tony Stark’s darkest traits run amuck. And I was very impressed with the look of Vision. Good job by Bettany, and GREAT job by the special effects and costuming folks–the Vision is an extremely hard character to pull off, but they did it superbly.
The Maximoffs’ accents were completely accurate, totally authentic Sokovian accents.
Good point, Puff.
As an Estonian, I found the twins’ accent and the “some east-european backwater country” trope pretty offensive – I mean, statues of Lenin and russian letters everywhere? …Really? Come on. It’d be fine in a nineties Bond movie, but surely we’ve moved on by now?
Otherwise I loved it.
As a South African I was offended that they couldn’t bother to come up with the name of a single African country.
Even though this comment would seem like I didn’t enjoy the movie, what really struck me is the overall similarity in both the movies. I posted this to Reddit last week:
How it compares to Avengers 1 (SPOILERS):
Avengers 1 started with the Villain making a daring entry and getaway, and the heroes getting their asses handed to them.
Avengers 2 starts with a sidekick villain getting his ass kicked, and the heroes making a spectacular entry.
Avengers 1 has one of the good guys (Hawkeye) getting his mind controlled at the end of the first action sequence
Avengers 2 has Captain America and Iron Man getting their minds being messed with at the end of the first action sequence.
Avengers 1: One of the heroes starts the movie while being aligned with the bad guy.
Avengers 2: Two of the heroes start the movie while being aligned with the bad guy.
Avengers 1: the next scene after the first major action sequence is the Stark tower, with Stark returning in his Iron Man suit, while it is systematically removed from him one piece at a time
Avengers 2: the next scene is the Avengers returning to the Avengers (aka Stark) tower in a quinjet, while the Iron Legion enters from a side door and is slowly repaired by automated bots.
Avengers 1: Then Nick Fury activates the Avengers initiative to counter Loki.
Avengers 2: Tony Stark activates Ultron for no rhyme or reason, but as it seems, simply because he can.
Avengers 1: The villain attacks a formal dinner party in Germany
Avengers 2: The villain attacks a formal dinner party in Avengers Tower in New York
Avengers 1: The heroes subdue the villain immediately after the first encounter, and seemingly capture him.
Avengers 2: The heroes subdue the villain immediately after the first encounter, and seemingly destroy him.
Avengers 1: Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor argue+fight about their approach to find and destroy the Tesseract.
Avengers 2: Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor argue about who is to blame for the creation of Ultron.
Avengers 1: The Avengers get their asses handed over to them aboard the Helicarrier, as Hulk runs amok on the ship destroying everything in his path.
Avengers 2: The Avengers get their asses handed over to them in the ship yard, as Hulk runs amok in a nearby city destroying everything in his path.
Avengers 1: Thor fights Hulk to subdue the Hulk
Avengers 2: Iron Man fights Hulk to subdue the Hulk
Avengers 1: Hawkeye eventually returns to his senses to join the good guys again
Avengers 2: Quick Silver and Scarlett Witch return to their senses and join the good guys again.
Avengers 1: Loki attacks New York city
Avengers 2: Ultron attacks a fictional city in Sokovia
Avengers 1: Avengers fight the Chitauri
Avengers 2: Avengers fight the Ultron minions
Avengers 1: Thor gets side punched by Hulk
Avengers 2: Hulk gets side punched by Iron Man
Avengers 1: Puny God
Avengers 2: For god’s sake
Avengers 1: “So that’s what it does” (or Coulson dies…. NOT)
Avengers 2: “You didn’t see that coming!” (or Quick Silver dies… or does he?)
Avengers 1 & 2: Everyone parts ways to do their own thing
@33: Polite Guest: Wakanda is from the comic books, it was a nod/set up for another movie that’s coming out later. (I was more annoyed by how many white cops/army types were in an African country. Casting was slightly problematic in that.)
@mister_dk: No. Natasha does not explicitly say that not being able to have kids makes her a monster. What she feels makes her a monster is that she agrees that not having the distraction makes the missions, the killing easier, and she finds the killing easy. The not-being-able-to-have-kids just makes identifying with Bruce easier, in a “see, I can’t have a normal life either” kind of way.
For what it’s worth, they should have just said “Southern Africa” instead of “the coast of Africa”, because Africa has a lot of coasts, and Egypt is not Marrakesh is not the Congo is not South Africa.
Also, they never claimed to be in Wakanda. They said Klaw had _escaped_ from Wakanda, if I remember correctly, stealing the vibranium (and branded for being a thief). Wakanda is supposed to be a futuristic nation in the middle of the continent, with superior technology mixed with an ancient tribal culture. We’ll have to wait for the Black Panther film to see it portrayed properly.
Thor’s vision quest in the pool seemed very, very reminiscent of the resolution to the dark quickening storyline in Highlander: the series.
I completely missed this when it went up last week, but YES TO ALL THIS. There was so much greatness in this movie, so many great themes.
People say that Steve and Tasha’s relationship isn’t reflected this movie, but the both have the same arc, separated from the things that obligated them, they both still have to fight the good fight, and as co leaders of the Avengers by the end of the film, they demonstrate they finally understand that.
Vision was, well, a vision. That moment when he walked past Tony to note “Yes, Ultron hates you the most” you can just see on Tony’s face “I should never have given you a body”.
Tasha and Bruce make a lot of sense, as again, there are so many similiarities between them, and yes, I completely agree that when Hulk refused to come back, he was protecting Puny Banner. From the fact that Tasha rejected normality with him, from the obligations of the Avengers.
I called Pietro’s death weeks ago, because he and Wanda hadn’t been announced for future films and I knew Whedon knew better than to kill Wanda. With the addition of the Fox kerfuffle, he made the most sense as the one to die. So going in pre-mourning him, I felt his story much more poignant. He didn’t get much development, but what he did get was even more touching, because I knew already that it was all we’d get. I wonder if knowing his death will improve his character arc in rewatches for other people.
Fake accents, fake country, I’ll let it go.
Thor was the one really shortchanged by the movie, but that’s okay. I really wish what he’d seen had been clearer, because I have no idea how he got ‘Go create your own” out of that, but oh well.
They were in South Africa. There are lots of white people still in South Africa, so no casting didn’t mess up there.
No one thinks that the reason Tony couldn’t lift Mjolnir is because of his stated desire to rape all newlywed brides?
Why is that Tasha’s infertility defines her as a monster in that scene, according to the audience, but it doesn’t to Banner who says the same exact thing? If it’s because we recognize that’s not the thing that makes Banner monstrous, why are we as an audience incapable of recognizing that in Tasha?
@39 Aeryl
It isn’t her infertility that makes her a monster, it’s the whole Red Room treatment she underwent (of which that is a part). She’s made less human in a way, more of a tool than anything else. Kill a man? No problem. Seduce someone? Whatever, you can’t get pregnant anyway, no need to thank us *smiley face*!
As Emily wrote in this piece: she only started to realize she could be more than just a tool, an agent, somewhere during Winter Soldier. I have always liked Black Widow, but now I really feel for her as a character. (doesn’t help I can’t have children of my own thanks to stupid syndroms and really loved ScarJo’s acting in that part as it reminded me of myself).
@Emily
-SO- not the only one crying about Aunt Natasha. Right here with you!
@40, I agree. My question is a challenge to those who do interpret it that way.
The more I think about it, the fishier Quicksiler’s death seems to me.
He suffers multiple high velocity large caliber wounds a few hundred yards (if that) from the helicarrier. Wanda *feels* him die and unleashes all sorts of grief driven magical mahem. Soon after, we see him being airlifted to the helicarrier, a what, 10 second flight? The helicarrier is a technological tour-de-force. It is a gigantic glyph indicating the technologial resources that can be brought to bear if needs be. Wouldn’t the helicarrier have the most sophisticated medical facilities the planet had to offer? Wouldn’t it have a facility and staff capable of handling the type and severity of wounds you’d get on a super weapon, super human populated battlefield? It is definitely the place I’d want to be rushed to if I’d just been blasted by murderbots.
Earlier, we had a pretty extensive scene showing the heaing / repair of Hawkeye’s battle damage, then a reference to the repair again when his wife said she could “feel the difference”. Hawkeye’s wound even looked to me like Pietro’s wounds, differing in number and severity. To me this feels like foreshadowing.
In the last scene of the film, Wanda doesn’t seem (to my eyes at least) to be someone who’s had someone she’s been bonded to since before birth snatched away by the grim reaper. She’s fairly composed & ready to get to work training the new team.
I’d bet a dollar that Quicksilver isn’t dead.
As Miracle Max said, “There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do… Go through his clothes and look for loose change.”
What do you all think? Am I off base here or am I onto something?
@42, After what they pulled with Coulson, I don’t think they’ll dip into that well again.
Among Marvel Comics readers, the old saying was that no one was ever truly dead except Bucky and Gwen Stacey. Now Bucky is back, and one of Marvel’s most popular books is Spider-Gwen. The only rule now is that there are no rules…
@42, Nah, he’s dead. Marvel know by know that there’ll be uproar if the revive yet another character (in the MCU, comics are a different story, of course). Besides – they have more characters than they can handle (as seen by the choppiness of AoU), so there’s no need for ressurections.
I don’t think Quicksilver is coming back anytime soon. At least according to the President of Marvel Studios.
@zentinal
YTEMO about Quicksilver’s death. We’ve previously seen the speed at which he perceives and reacts to things and events, so this was really off-kilter, internal logic-wise. It’s however very Whedonesque. Considering all the probably conflicting demands for continuity imposed on Joss from without, he probably saw this as the quickest way to acquiesce and go on with the story anf characters he knew had a future in the cinematic MU.
And considering that you have two unenhanced characters balleting through a much greater hail of weapons and mayjhem throughout without mostly getting hit makes Pietro’s death look like even more of a quick fix. That and the high-tech facilities nearby.
@48, Quicksilver dies because he pushes a truck in front of Clint and the kid. He can move things that big because he’s using his momentum. But pushing something that big slowed his momentum enough that he was left exposed when it came to a halt. And the “high tech facilities” aren’t nearby, they are in South Korea and New York. Clint didn’t DIE, he was merely severely injured and KEPT ALIVE on the way to New York from Sokovia. Peitro was dead for hours before they could have gotten him to Cho’s technology. Also, who’s to say that Cho’s technology would have worked on Pietro’s adapted DNA? Cho was able to create Vision while under the influence of the Mine stone.
I am very sure that Captain could have lifted the hammer, felt it budge, and decided to pretend he could do no more, because he is the Captain, not the Lord of Asgard.
Just saw this. I can’t watch movies in theaters because of overwhelming vertigo, so sadly I’m always late to the party. I love the Marvel universe and have seen all the previous films; however, there were times that I was like, what? At this point my only comment is that Hulk did not shut out Natasha to protect Bruce, he shut out Natasha to protect Natasha. Seriously.
Also, am I the only person who thinks that Tony Stark, although obviously a genius in some regard, is completely lacking in the ability to see the bigger picture? I find it difficult to reconcile. It’s just not believable to me that someone with that kind of immense intellect would end up being like some five year old who thinks he can actually be Superman without ramifications.
Also late to the party; we tend to not see movies for months/years because of kids. Anyway, I really liked it, and I loved this review. Actually, I liked it better than the first Avengers, I think. When I saw the first Avengers (after all the hype about it being the BEST MOVIE EVER) I was a bit underwhelmed (to be fair, I hadn’t seen any of the solo movies except for the first Iron Man at that point) – it was a fun, snarky, explosion-y movie but wasn’t the best thing I’d ever seen. But (and since then I’ve seen all the MCU movies that preceeded this one so I also had a better feel for the overarching plot) I liked this one quite a bit because, in addition to the snark/explosions, I think it did have a lot of really interesting character development, and I also loved seeing all the little call backs to the other ‘plots’ going out outside the Avengers movies. Also, I was really excited to see Falcon back and maybe squeed a little bit that he is joining the Avengers.
I had heard there was a lot of controversy over Natasha but I definitely did not see her statement literally being about not being able to have children (maybe it’s just poor editing because that was the last thing she had been talking about) but about her experience as a whole, and WHY it was done, making her a monster. In fact, I am pretty sure it never would have even occurred to me that’s what the implication was unless I hadn’t read about. I loved that Natasha and Clint really were just friends and it doesn’t make their relationship any less deep/poignant (and if anything, I think it’s great to show that no, women don’t just have to be love interests). I have to agree with the idea that part of why Bruce/Hulk may have left IS because Natasha wasn’t able to give him a choice about transforming, even if she does accept his ‘Hulk’ persona as not being a monster.
I also thought Thor/Tony ‘fighting’/bragging about their successful/brilliant girlfriends was kind of adorable (and in line with their personalities in that of course they are going to be competitive about it).
Really, the grossest part was the prima noctae joke, which I could have done without even as a jest.