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“Cardassians”
Written by Gene Wolande & John Wright and James Crocker
Directed by Cliff Bole
Season 2, Episode 5
Production episode 40512-425
Original air date: October 24, 1993
Stardate: 47177.2

Station log: Bashir and Garak share a drink in the replimat where they see a trader bringing a Bajoran man and a Cardassian child on board. The child is wearing a Bajoran earring, and Garak, intrigued, walks over to say hello. The boy responds by biting Garak’s hand. When Bashir tells the senior staff about it in ops, Kira explains that the boy’s probably one of the many orphans left behind when the Cardassians pulled out.

Dukat calls Sisko to ask about the incident. Sisko is surprised Dukat knows about it so soon, given that Sisko himself only just found out. However, Dukat goes on at (great) length to Sisko on the subject of war orphans and the need to bring them home, and he asks Sisko to investigate the incident and report back to him so he can use it in his fight to get the orphans returned to Cardassia where they belong, not being raised by Bajorans to hate their own kind.

Sisko and Bashir talk to Proka Migdal, the father of the boy, whose name is Rugal. As far as he and his wife are concerned, Rugal is their son. They took him in because they didn’t hold a boy responsible for the crimes of his people.

Bashir then talks to the trader who brought Proka and Rugal on board, who reluctantly tells Bashir that he offered to help Proka find a job, but he also describes an abusive situation where Proka and his wife torment Rugal, and allow other Bajorans to taunt and beat him just for being Cardassian. “He’s their revenge.”

Proka denies it vehemently, but Sisko has to investigate and until that’s done, Sisko asks that Rugal stay with the O’Briens until it’s all cleared up. Proka reluctantly agrees, telling Rugal that they won’t hurt him—“They’re humans, not Cardassians.”

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Garak visits Bashir for a followup on his hand, and the doctor mentions Dukat’s interest in passing. Garak laughs derisively at the notion of Dukat being concerned for Garak’s well being, and points out that the person in charge of the withdrawal from Bajor was, in fact, Dukat. So making sure all Cardassians, including orphans, came home would’ve been his responsibility.

Bashir comes to ops and interrupts a conversation between Dukat and Sisko, asking him why Dukat left the orphans behind. Dukat claims he was ordered to by the civilian authorities. Bashir, though, was under the impression that the civilian government had no authority over military operations. However, Dukat insists that the decision to pull out of Bajor was the civilian authority’s, as was the decision to leave the orphans behind. After Dukat signs off, Bashir insists he’s lying, but Sisko points out that there’s no evidence to support that notion, just half-assed notions from Garak.

O’Brien comes home to discover that Rugal and Molly were playing together, which appalls him. Keiko prepares a Cardassian dish, and neither O’Brien nor Rugal are willing to eat it. Later that night, Rugal tells O’Brien that he wants to go home to Bajor. He hates Cardassians, he hates being a Cardassian, and he forces O’Brien to admit to his own prejudices (to himself, at least, not out loud to Rugal).

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Garak wakes Bashir in the middle of the night saying that they need to go to Bajor. Bashir wakes Sisko up to request a runabout, to which Sisko responds with a symphony in snark, especially since Garak didn’t tell Bashir why. (“Well, by all means. Will one runabout be enough?”) But then Dukat calls, apologizing for the late hour, saying that they’ve identified Rugal as being the son of Kotan Pa’Dar, a prominent member of the civilian government, and the former exarch of a settlement on Bajor. Rugal was believed killed during a terrorist attack eight years earlier. Pa’Dar’s on his way to the station to reclaim his son, but Sisko doesn’t think it’s that simple. The trader who made the accusation about Rugal being abused has disappeared, and there’s no other evidence to support it.

Bashir figures that Garak also heard that Rugal was Pa’Dar’s son, so Sisko grants permission for them to go to Bajor. They go to an orphanage in the Tozhat province to find records of Rugal’s adoption, but the computers are down, and have been for some time. An orphanage filled with Cardassian children isn’t a priority for repair crews, but Garak offers to fix it (thus adding fuel to Bashir’s mental fire that says Garak’s a spy). Garak downloads all the orphanage data to a clip and then they leave—before sadly informing the Cardassian children in the orphanage that he’s not there to take them home.

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Garak finally admits to Bashir what’s going on—mostly because Bashir stops the runabout and shuts down his computer search and won’t start either one up until Garak stops being opaque—explaining that Pa’Dar was one of the ones who made the decision to withdraw from Bajor, which cost Dukat his job as prefect. And now this political enemy of Dukat’s suddenly has a long-lost son, whose existence was revealed partly due to Dukat’s machinations.

Pa’Dar arrives on Deep Space 9 and goes to the O’Brien quarters. O’Brien talks to him for a bit, to prepare him for what Rugal has grown into. Pa’Dar explains how he has disgraced himself by allowing his son to be lost to him—family is paramount on Cardassia. Finally, Keiko brings Rugal in, and Pa’Dar is devastated to learn that Rugal doesn’t remember him at all, nor does he want to see pictures of himself as a child. He hates Pa’Dar and refuses to go back to Cardassia—as far as he’s concerned, Pa’Dar’s son did die eight years ago.

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While Bashir and Garak don’t find a file on Rugal—Dukat isn’t sloppy enough to leave evidence—they do find the person who was in charge of paperwork at the time, and she remembers Rugal because he was such an odd case: their only boy at the time, he had a name (most didn’t), and he was brought in, not by a Bajoran, but by a Cardassian military officer assigned to the command post at Terok Nor—which is what DS9 was called when it was a Cardassian station, the commanding officer of which was the prefect of Bajor, Gul Dukat.

Sisko agrees to be the arbiter for a custody hearing between Pa’Dar and Proka. Dukat arrives on the station, which raises everyone’s hackles. Sisko questions Pa’Dar, then Rugal, then O’Brien. Bashir and Garak then enter and Bashir asks if he may pose a few questions. There’s an inquiry back on Cardassia about an attempted military coup, which Pa’Dar is leading and which Dukat is a target of. However, when the revelation that Pa’Dar let his son be raised by Bajorans goes public, it will kill his career—and the inquiry. Dukat doesn’t admit to this, of course, but he also leaves the hearing in a huff.

In the end, Sisko finds in favor of Pa’Dar. Rugal was a political pawn in a long game by Dukat and Sisko feels it’s important to undo that damage. Thanks to Bashir’s revelations, Dukat will never let this go public, so Pa’Dar’s career is saved.

For Cardassia!: The decision to pull out of Bajor was made by the Cardassian civilian government (which will later be identified as the Detapa Council), and Dukat (for obvious reasons) objected to it.

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Plain, simple: Garak’s back, and his decision to say hi to a kid winds up unraveling a rather nasty conspiracy. This is the first hint that he and Dukat have a past. He and Bashir have been meeting regularly at the replimat sinced “Past Prologue.”

Keep your ears open: “So you deduced that Garak thinks Dukat is lying about something you’re not sure of. Then you proceeded to interrupt my conversation to confront him about whatever that might be.”

“I’m sorry, Commander, it just seemed like an opportune—”

“Don’t apologize. It’s been the high point of my day. Don’t do it again.”

Sisko giving Bashir the velvet glove over the iron fist.

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Welcome aboard: Andrew J. Robinson returns as Garak, firmly establishing his role as recurring, while other recurring guests Rosalind Chao (Keiko) and Marc Alaimo (Dukat) are also present. Vidal Peterson, having played D’Tan in “Unification II” on TNG, plays Rugal here, and longtime character actor Terrence Evans returns as Proka, having played one of Mullibok’s mute friends in “Progress”; he’ll also be in Voyager’s “Nemesis.”

And then we have this episode’s Robert Knepper moment as Robert Mandan, probably best known for his role as the womanizing Chester Tate on Soap, plays Pa’Dar. (Confused? Don’t be!)

Trivial matters: This episode establishes that the station’s designation while under Cardassian command was Terok Nor.

The importance Cardassian culture places on family was established back in “Chain of Command, Part II” on TNG, and it comes heavily into play here.

The background for this episode can be found in the Terok Nor novels, Day of the Vipers by James Swallow and Night of the Wolves and Dawn of the Eagles by S.D. Perry & Britta Dennison. Pa’Dar appears in all three, and the explosion in which Pa’Dar believed Rugal to be killed dramatized in the last book.

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Una McCormack followed Rugal’s life after this episode in her novel The Never-Ending Sacrifice, which starts right after Rugal goes to Cardassia and continues to show the events of the subsequent eight years through his eyes.

Walk with the Prophets: “I don’t trust coincidences.” There are aspects of this episode that are brilliant. First and foremost is the triumphant return of Garak, rescued from the potential obscurity of being that one-off guest everyone thought was cool and instead being established as one of DS9’s many wonderful recurring characters. Garak continues to deny that he’s a spy, continues to drop hints and obfuscate and lie rather than be straightforward, and continues to ultimately get what he wants in the end. And Andrew Robinson and Siddig el-Fadil continue to sparkle in every scene they have together.

Related to that is the welcome maturation of Bashir from the eager naïf of season one into the more confident young man of season two, who holds his own with Garak (less so with Sisko, whose taking down of the still-a-bit-too-overeager doctor in ops and in his quarters are both magnificent).

Keiko also gets one of her best scenes when she calls O’Brien on his racism. It’s not a particularly pleasant aspect of O’Brien’s character, and it’s given us some ugly moments, notably in “The Wounded,” and we get it again here. The moment when she smacks him down is a triumph, and it forces O’Brien to see Rugal as a person rather than a Cardassian.

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And we got lots of cool political stuff involving Cardassians and Bajorans, which is always welcome. The scheming, the political jockeying, the decisions made by powerful people that have unintended consequences to the people on the ground, and so much more. The issue of Cardassian war orphans is a really good one, and the show missed a bet by not coming back to it. There’s some compelling stuff here.

Yet I come away from this episode annoyed and frustrated. For starters, where’s Kira in all this? Aside from a brief bit of exposition and an approving nod to Bashir after he interrupts Sisko and Dukat’s conversation, she’s utterly absent from an episode that she should be front and center of, especially given that she was actually there.

But the biggest issue is that they totally blew the ending. I keep going over the episode and wonder on what Sisko based his decision to separate Rugal from his family and send him to Cardassia to live with his biological father. Pa’Dar wants his son back because that’s what his society tells him to do. Proka wants his son back because he loves him. For that matter, Rugal himself has made it abundantly clear, not once, but many times that he hates Cardassians, loves his parents, and wants to go back to Bajor. O’Brien tells Rugal that his wishes are important, but Sisko shows no evidence of caring about the boy’s desires in his role as arbiter. Is whatever political gain Sisko might get from doing Pa’Dar a favor worth breaking up a loving family? It’s “Suddenly Human” all over again, except without the stabbing-incident-induced realization that nurture is at least as important as nature (and without anybody getting splurted in the face with ice cream).

Worse, this rather important resolution to the plotline that’s been going on all episode is made in a log entry voiceover, as if it’s an afterthought, the episode spending far too much time on the Bashir-Garak bromance and the labyrinthine plotting of Dukat to have leverage on his political enemies, and not enough on Sisko’s decision, and the impact it has on Rugal and on Proka (and in general on Bajor). And in the end, there are still Cardassian orphans stuck on Bajor who want to go home (the scene where they ask Garak if he’s there to take them is heartbreaking).

In the end, Sisko becomes just another powerful person whose decisions have unintended consequences to the people on the ground. We expect that of Pa’Dar and Dukat; our hero is supposed to be better than that, and we’re given absolutely no good reason why he isn’t.

Warp factor rating: 5

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Uncle Mikey
11 years ago

I agree about the ending. It came across entirely as, “Oh, hell, this episode is already running long and we still don’t actually have an ending. Um…um…someone roll Rugal’s saving throw against Cardassians!” And he failed it, and that was that.

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11 years ago

havent seen this episode in a long while, but my first thought after reading the rewatch is.. poor kid. Not sure what the right solution here was but sending Rugal back to cardasia doesnt seem like it was right… (an aside, did deep space nine just predict the Elian Gonzolas outcome?)

my second thought after reading the rewatch… Hooray Garak. Glad his character gained some traction because he ended up being one of my favorite story lines over the years.

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11 years ago

probably best known for his role as the womanizing Chester Tate on Soap, plays Pa’Dar. (Confused? Don’t be!)

I see what you did there.

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Rancho Unicorno
11 years ago

I am curious – I don’t remember ever seeing or reading anything that revisits the orphans. Did anybody ever go back to the orphanage (or any of the orphanages)? Something on the impact of the Dominion War on the lives of Cardassians with no real connection to Cardassia?

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

Paragraph 6 says “Garak laughs derisively at the notion of Dukat being concerned for Garak’s well being” — this should be “Rugal’s well-being.”

I believe the script for the episode established the station’s Cardassian name as Terek Nor; it was spelled that way in a number of early references. But Marc Alaimo repeatedly mispronounced it as “Terok Nor,” and eventually they adjusted the official spelling to match. Not the first time that’s happened; the Klingon curved sword was supposed to be the batlh’etlh, literally “honor sword,” but that got elided to “bat’leth” and the spelling changed to fit (after the first few years in which it was officially spelled “bat’telh” despite being pronounced the way we know). Also, I once read something from Usenet, I think, where someone involved in DS9’s production said that Ferengi currency was supposed to be Gold Press latinum, a trademark for some specific process that was done to the latinum or something, but everyone said “gold-pressed” and so that quickly became standard. Although I’ve never come across verification for the claim.

As for the story, I agree about the fumbled ending. This and “Suddenly Human” are among the vanishingly few Trek episodes that acknowledge the difference between species and culture, that admit that the culture you belong to isn’t dictated by your race. There was that TNG episode with the human who’d defected to become part of Romulan culture, but he was treated as an aberration. And Voyager‘s B’Elanna started out as a half-Klingon who identified more with her human half, but the series kept pushing her into becoming more and more Klingon just because that was what she looked like. “Suddenly Human” had the courage to say “Just because this boy is human by species, that doesn’t mean he’s not Talarian by choice.” It acknowledged that a choice of identity not based on racial essentialism was valid. But this episode presents an equivalent situation, a boy who’s Cardassian by birth but Bajoran by culture, and defaults to defining him by his race. It’s a lazy outcome. And I agree, the issue of the boy’s own agency and perspective does get lost under the political maneuvering in the last act.

That said, I never really liked Rugal. The actor didn’t work for me. Plus, why did he have long Cardassian-style hair, when most Bajoran males wore their hair short? He wore Bajoran clothing and a Bajoran earring, so why not a Bajoran haircut?

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bookworm1398
11 years ago

I don’t think the custody issue was that clear cut, I was disturbed by Rugal’s extreme hatred. He didn’t just say the Cardassians did some horrible things, but more like “All Cardassians are inherently evil and I can’t imagine even saying hello to one.” I just don’t know what would have been right, but I agree that the episode did not spend enough time on the decision.

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JeanTheSquare
11 years ago

The ending isn’t quite as clear-cut as all that–it is a situation with no clear right solution. I was surprised by how it resolved, but the more I thought about it the more this ending seemed the lesser of two evils.

It is never confirmed whether or not the trader’s testimony was a part of Dukat’s scheme, but the viewer sees firsthand that Rugal’s Bajoran parents are indeed teaching him to hate his own race. Not maliciously perhaps, they just don’t know any other way to be. This is a pretty big no-no in international adoptions.

Rugal’s wishes are indeed important, but ultimately don’t forget that he was STOLEN. His Bajoran parents may have adopted him in good faith, but Dukat kidnapped him as part of a political long-con. It’s a muddy, morally ambiguous situation, the kind that, among Treks, only DS9 was really willing to tackle.

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Emilee
11 years ago

I agree with #6. I think it IS, in fact, abuse to proclaim over and over to a child that the species/race he belongs to is inherently evil. How on earth could a child have any self-worth amid all that self-loathing? His Bajoran parents may “love him”, but they aren’t setting him up for success.

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11 years ago

I’m not so sure the resolution was wrong. Let’s call it like it is: Rugal was kidnapped. Yes, Proka and his wife were innocent of that, but it doesn’t change the fact of it. Plus, we’ve got the allegations of abuse. I’d have liked it if the episode would have addressed the veracity of that. Regardless, though, we do know that his parents have taught him to hate Cardassians.

Let’s put this in another perspective: imagine a white couple adopted a black child and taught him to hate black people. Would you want those parents to keep him? Because honestly, I don’t see a real difference.

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11 years ago

@5: No, I’m pretty sure that paragraph was right, because Garak was laughing at the notion that he and Dukat were friends.

Anyway, I’m a bit confused as to the timing of this. Dukat hates Pa’Dar and the Civilian Government because they made the decision to withdraw from Bajor that cost him his prefecture (is that the word?). But that only happened a year (or so) ago. Yet Rugal was kidnapped (and let’s face it, that’s what happened) 8 YEARS ago. Was Dukat just that crazy-paranoid/crazy-prepared that he thought he would need leverage against ONE SPECIFIC GUY in the CivGov? (Tangent: Does he have similar leverage against other members of the CivGov?)

And how was this leverage supposed to work, anyway? It’s pretty obvious that the pilot was hired to bring Rugal and his Bajoran father to DS9 (since it was obvious that Dukat and Garak are not “in cahoots”, the pilot is the only one who could have informed Dukat of the incident so quickly, plus the obviously false allegations against the Bajoran Dad), but what would have happened if Garak hadn’t shown up at the replimat? Or if Rugal hadn’t been raised as a Cardassian-hater and hadn’t bitten him? How did the pilot even convince them to come to DS9? It all seems like a Batman Gambit, to me. (A Batman Gambit is a plan in which there are any number of possible scenarios, yet the planner knows the participants well enough to know PRECISELY WHICH scenario will happen, and plans accordingly. As opposed to a Xanatoss Gambit, in which the plan is set up in such a way that even if it goes awry, it still works to the planner’s favor.)

Also, why would having a son who was presumed dead and raised by Bajorans but eventually found and returned be harmful to Pa’Dar’s political career, anyway? And what good would Dukat keeping silent about this do, since Rugal is still going home with Pa’Dar? What’s to stop Rugal from revealing whatever it is Dukat wants revealed (which I’m still not sure how that would do any harm to Pa’Dar’s career)?

As to the ending, I actually see it as the logical conclusion to the story. Rugal is a minor, and (unfortuantely) has no legal say in what happens to him. His adoption was made under the (false) assumption that he was an orphan, and even though the allegations that his Bajoran parents were abusing him were false, Sisko still has no legal reason to keep him from his birth father.

So, yeah, this was an okay episode. Yes, it suffered from an under-use of Kira, and a complete lack of Odo and Quark, but Garak and Bashir more than make up for that, as well as Sisko’s delightfully-snarky responses to Bashir (which reminds me a bit of their interactions in “The Forsaken”). However, the progression of the plot itelf stretches the fabric of plausibility. I simply don’t buy Dukat as a Batman-level master planner. Maybe future episodes will reveal that he is, but to set something in motion 8 years ago that is so dependent on players that he wouldn’t even know would be in the picture until 1 year ago just doesn’t make sense at all.

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ROBINM
11 years ago

The end of the custody issue always bothered me . I sort of wanted Rugal to stay on Bajor because of his feelings on the matter and his cardassian family seems to have no response to his return except as a political tool.

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11 years ago

@11: The impression I got is that Dukat was the only one wanting to use Rugal as a political took, not Pa’Dar. Pa’Dar seemed to genuinely care about Rugal, and it was said that on Cardassia, family is everything. (At least, everything that’s not the subjugation of another species).

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@9: No, we don’t actually know that his parents have taught him to hate Cardassians. What we know is that he’s been raised as a Bajoran for eight years, and a brutal occupation of Bajor by the Cardassians ended less than one year ago. It’s reasonable to assume that the Cardassians themselves would’ve given him plenty of reason to hate Cardassians without his parents having to indoctrinate him at all. The problem with your analogy of white parents teaching a black child to hate black people is that they’d have to do so by deliberately lying and shielding him from reality. That’s not the case here. Anyone who lived through his formative years under the Cardassian occupation would need no special indoctrination to have a low opinion of Cardassians.

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11 years ago

I too was concerned about the ending. My reaction to Sisko’s log entry was “Bwuh?! But he doesn’t want to go to Cardassia!” Now, if the episode had stuck with its initial premise of discovering whether or not Rugal’s Bajoran foster parents had been abusing him, as the merchant captain claimed, or even just indoctrinating him against Cardassians, we might have seen a different resolution to this episode. Instead, too much time is devoted to Bashir and Garak uncovering Dukat’s political machinations, leaving no room to return to Rugal’s personal situaton. As much as I enjoy both the Bashir-Garak interplay and the black-and-grey Cardassian political system, I wouldn’t have minded so much had it taken a back seat for a little while so that we could have had more scenes like the excellent discussion between O’Brien and Rugal in their quarters.

Comparisons to TNG’s “Suddenly Human” are inevitable, but the use of the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict means that it’s stronger than that episode; there, the Talarians were nothing more than “random alien species of the week”, whereas here, it feeds into the series’ ongoing backstory.

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11 years ago

This was interesting to me since Suddenly Human had the orphan (Jono) go back to the family that raised him, while this episode had him return back to the race he originated with. Guess there isn’t a standard “Orphan Policy” in Starfleet Regulations. Regardless, it’s a very un-Trek ending, since it seems like no one is really happy at the end of the Episode, and TOS and TNG episodes almost always had some sort of either happy ending or moral of the story.

The last opportunity for me is that this wasn’t brought up again when Dukat went looking or his long lost half Bajoram daughter. After all how can it be thatnPaDar abandoning his child is a career ender, but for Dukat claiming his child is a career ender???

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@17: But that’s what Mike said: That Dukat’s career was hurt by acknowledging Ziyal.

@16: I’d say the answer is that they were different kinds of scandal. For a Cardassian to abandon his son amidst the Bajorans would be scandalous to a people who value family. But for a Cardassian to have a half-breed child with a Bajoran is scandalous to a people who value racial purity.

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11 years ago

The decision about where he should go IS a complicated one. And there certainly are no easy answers. That doesn’t, however, mean that the show’s portrayal of Sisko’s eventual decision is acceptable.

Precisely because it’s a difficult issue, they have an obligation to do SOME kind of work to illustrate the complexities.

This reminds me quite a lot of what was so troublesome about the previous episode. Sure, I can imagine how the symbiotic process works such that Dax would be perfectly happy to join with a new host at gunpoint and apparently feel no regret – but if that’s how the process works then the episode owes it to us to SHOW that. We’re made to feel that the actual individual case matters – but don’t get any followthrough on that premise. It’s pushed aside for the sake of a (semi-incoherent) political plot.

It’s a shame. I do think Sisko’s decision is pretty firmly wrong. But not indefensible. And a story which helped us to understand why there were legitimate reasons to make that decision could have been a very strong one.

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11 years ago

I think the ending was just a kneejerk “you should be with your biological parents” reaction, without much thought put into the complexity of it by the writers.

I agree that that was more interesting than Dukat’s machinations…and they could have made more of it. At the very least we should have been treated to the kid’s screams of horror as he was carried kicking from the room, and Sisko’s feelings of guilt.

Because that’s what happens in the real world when you take a kid from the only parents he’s ever known and send him to live with strangers, even if the strangers are related to him.

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11 years ago

@18: I’m not sure whether the fallout for Dukat was due to Ziyal being a halfbreed – it might as well have been because he was married and father of legitimate children.

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Eoin8472
11 years ago

Can I recommend Una McCormack’s The Never Ending Sacrifice everyone as one of the greatest Trek books ever written with some awesome angles on tolerence and racism. Its fantastic

Also to go back to Keiths point on Sisko’s decision, that book explicitly mentions and judges Sisko as being wrong in his decision in this epsiode. Though to be fair, unlike Suddenly Human, the Cardassians may simply have more political power than the Talarian’s have and Sisko may have been put under more pressure than Picard was.

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

A better outcome would’ve been for Rugal to stay with his Bajoran family and for Pa’Dar to be granted visitation rights, so that Rugal would have a chance to get to know him and maybe eventually agree to return with him, or at least include both families in his life. Leave the outcome open-ended but hopeful, have it be something where Rugal has a say in it rather than being treated as a prize to be claimed.

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11 years ago

@10 Pretty much agreed with every word you said.

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11 years ago

@23 CLB… First, let me thank you for answering my post @16…

The better outcome you list is pretty much the standard Star Trek ending- optomistic and open ended. I can practically hear Captain Picard explaining to Data or Troi or someone that this may be for the best.. the boy stays with the family that loves him and later, when he’s ready, can learn about his native culture. AND… cue the closing credits and theme music…

That almost makes me wonder if the DS9 writers chose to go the other way (possibly not consciously) in that it’s a DS9 ending, not the happy TNG ending. I know we hadn’t gotten into full-out anti-Rodenberry revolution yet in the series, but even by this point DS9 had started seperating itself out from the rest of the Trek-genre.

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a-j
11 years ago

The curious incident of Kira in this episode:

I suppose the problem is that had she been involved it would have been a rehash of themes raised and addressed in ‘Duet’ and this story is first and foremost a political one. Still, they could have had her off-station or something similar. Mildly clumsy but forgivable in the face of Dukat’s plan which LazerWulf@10 perfectly sums up all the problems it creates.

The ending? Rushed. The problem is that the treatment of the child is, basically, the B-plot.

Fwiw, in English law, the interests of the child are paramount and if it was shown that his adoptive parents were bringing him up to despise his own culture, even if in every other way they were loving and caring, that would be, I believe, enough to have the court return him to his biological parents. Note that it is the interests of the child, not the wishes, that are emphasised and over-rule all else. Does anything happen to know what US, or Californian I suppose, law is about this?

So, a mixed bag, redeemed by the presence of Garak who invariably ups the standard of any episode and Sisko’s heavily sarcastic treatment of Bashir. Watching Avery Brooks being irritated is always a great way to relax of an evening.

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MattHamilton
11 years ago

While I agree that the ending was rushed and there wasn’t a clear cut reason why Sisko made the decision that he made, it was still the right decision under legal precident. What is right and what is law usually don’t go hand in hand. The fact of the matter is, despite the fact that his Bajoran adoptive parents were kind to him and loved him and claimed to not blame him for what his people did, despite the fact that Dukat (allegedly) had him kidnapped and brought to that orphanage and despite the fact that he was believed dead for so long-he is still the biological son of a Cardassian. A Cardassian, I might add, who was not guilty of anything that caused his son to be missing on Bajor during the pull out of all Cardassian forces. There have been a few cases in the States where this has happened, after a faqshion. A woman dosn’t tell her boyfriend/one night stand/whatever, that she is pregnant…gives the child up for adoption and then the man finds out, only to fight for him/her in court and win. There is no good choice in such a case. The adoptive parents love him/her and have cared for him/her but the bilogical father, who did not give him/her up and who has no criminal record or anything seemingly wrong with him has a legal right to his son/daughter. That is the decision Sisko made, though we really don’t know why he made it and it was the lawful one, though mayhap not the right one.

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@25: I could more readily believe that the writers had made a conscious choice to go for a more pessimistic ending if it hadn’t been such an afterthought, if we’d seen the effect on Rugal to hear the decision rather than have it alluded to in a log entry after Rugal had effectively disappeared from the story.

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11 years ago

Right. I don’t have a problem with the show including the decision. It could potentially even be useful as a character-study of Sisko: does he make this decision because he defers to the law? Does he do it with an eye on the political implications? Is he anguished about it?

The problem is that none of these issues are really even raised, much less engaged.

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11 years ago

26: Fwiw, in English law, the interests of the child are paramount and if it was shown that his adoptive parents were bringing him up to despise his own culture

See, that’s where we part company. Cardassian culture is NOT “his own culture.” He was raised on Bajor. Culture != race. The opposite assumption is one of the things we list under “racism.”

Now, if they were teaching him to despise his own race, that would be another story. But IIRC that was never really even investigated. (I haven’t seen this episode in a long time, so I’m not sure.)

27: You’re assuming that Bajoran law and Federation law are the same as US/British law. There’s evidence in the series that the law is considerably more progressive (at least on the Federation side). I’d hope part of that progress would be to get rid of the dumbass assumption that a biological parent’s rights trump the best interest of the child, or even ARE the best interest of the child.

28: Hear, hear.

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Tunod D. Denrub
11 years ago

As seems to be becoming my practice, I’m poking my head in to comment on something neat about the episode that struck me as I was watching. Specifically, Garak. His performance in the first episode he appeared in was… a bit stilted, for lack of a better word. It felt slightly unnatural. But here, like so many other recurring characters, he kind of feels like he’s come into his own. Natural, but very much a smooth-talker and a ‘don’t trust a word he says’ sort of guy, which is exactly what’s best about him. I feel like he really shines in this episode in a way he didn’t the first go-round.

Also, “a symphony in snark” is a beautiful phrase, just throwing that out there.

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bigray1999
11 years ago

This episode (and a few others before it) makes me wonder:

With all of the fear of Cardassian deception and spying that seems so prevalent on the station, why doesn’t Sisko request Betazoid Starfleet officers, as in someone like Deanna Troi? Someone like her would have been perfect on this episode because she would have been able to have felt the true feelings of all the characters involved in the custody dispute and known whose intentions were the best for the child.

They clearly were also not very trusting in Dukat so Betazoids would have been very useful at uncovering his schemes.

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a-j
11 years ago

Xopher@30

See, that’s where we part company. Cardassian culture is NOT “his own culture.” He was raised on Bajor.

Well, as English law does not recognise mixed species adoption, I was talking about how it addresses issues arising from mixed race adoption, which is the obvious metaphor this episode fails to deal with.

Culture != race. The opposite assumption is one of the things we list under “racism.”

Not quite getting you there. The opposite of ‘culture = race’ is ‘culture does not equal race’ which you say is racist and yet that is exactly what you state in the previous sentence.

Personally, I think Sisko is wrong in his decision. I prefer the suggestion above that the child stay on Bajor with his father having full rights of access. Then a further hearing could be convened if and when the child asks to go to Cardassia.

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@33: The “!=” symbol is an ASCII approximation of the mathematical symbol for “is not equal to,” an equals sign with a slash through it. So what Xopher’s actually saying is, “Culture does not equal race. The opposite assumption [i.e. that it does equal race] is one of the things we list under ‘racism.'”

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MattHamilton
11 years ago

As progressive as it may have gotten (at least on the Federation side) law still has to come up with a compelling reason to keep a child from his/her father if they did nothing wrong. Just because he was adopted (without the father’s permission/knowledge) is not reason enough. I am a progressive, and I hope that my views never get to the point where we just take a child away from their parents because, hey, this guy over here is nice too! Cardassian and Bajoran law may, in fact, be completely different, but it was a human who was making the overall decision.

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11 years ago

Bald & beared Sisko would never have made that decision off-camera.

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MattHamilton
11 years ago

, yes, I agree with that. I said as much in my first comment. The ending was rushed and there was no explanation as to why Sisko made that deciesion, even if, by law, he had made the right decision, we weren’t given a clear reason as to why or the curtesy of telling/showing us within the show as opposed to a voice over. I was just reiterating my point in the debate about whether it was right or not

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a-j
11 years ago

@34
Thanks. I was puzzled. I’d not come across that usuage before. Now all I need to know is what ASCII means:).

Xopher@30
For the record, I was commenting on what the legal position in England is on such issues and wondering what other legislatures do. It was not a personal endorsement.

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11 years ago

@41: ASCII is a way of converting binary 1s and 0s into readable text. One BYTE has eight BITS, which, when read as a binary number, can have a value of 0-255. ASCII is an encoding scheme which standardizes the translation between that number and a particular character.

I think what @34 was trying to get at was that “!=” is programmer shorthand for “is not equal to”, because that is the notation used in mathematical/logical equations in several programming languages, like C++.

For web-shorthand, I have seen “/=” and “=/=” used to mean the same thing.

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@42: I didn’t know it was programmer shorthand. I just figured it was attempt to use the ASCII character set to approximate a special character that can’t be typed on a standard keyboard.

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11 years ago

a-j@33: What CLB@34 said. Sorry for using confusing notation.

The closest Earthly analogy to this situation would be the Lebensborn children after WWII. Suppose one were adopted by a Jewish family and taken to Israel, that would be a good analogy.

@41: Oh, OK. Sorry, I misread your intention.

Matt@37: As progressive as it may have gotten (at least on the Federation side) law still has to come up with a compelling reason to keep a child from his/her father if they did nothing wrong.

I entirely disagree; or rather I agree, but disagree on which of the men is the “father” in this case. I think under progressive law you’d need a compelling reason to take a child from the only parents s/he’s ever known. This emphasis on the genetic parents is stupid nonsense IMO. Why should a genetic relationship privilege someone at all? Especially against the interest of someone who’s made a real investment of time, money, and love — and as far as I can tell in this case, against the best interest of the child as well.

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11 years ago

I was going to say that I’m used to the Lesser Than Symbol Greater Than Symber to mean “not equal to”, but those symbols don’t want to show up in my post. Anyway, I get that from using Excel spreadsheets.

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11 years ago

Yeah, that’s a bug in Tor.com’s comment software. Even if you put in & l t ; & g t ; (without spaces) it converts them to the symbols IN YOUR EDITOR and then drops them as HTML in the Preview/post.

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11 years ago

Oddly enough you can put in & n e ; without spaces and get ?. But the editor converts HTML recursively until it’s all gone, which would be the bug I spoke of earlier. Or maybe that’s not a bug by itself, but it then throws away tag brokets (“less than” and “greater than” signs).

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11 years ago

Annnnnd another bug means that the preview shows the slashed equals sign but the post shows a question mark. This needs some tweaking.

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MattHamilton
11 years ago

@44…while I agree with everything you said, I still kind of disagree. There is no compelling reason to take a child away from a parent who has shown love and care for a child that, biological or not, is the better for it. That being said, the same holds true for the actual, biological father of the child. I can’t see a compelling reason to keep him from his son/daughter, either. So far, all I have read are reasons to keep the child with the parents who have been raising him but are not biological, and they are all good reasons, don’t get me wrong. But I am yet to hear a good, compelling reason to keep a father from his son when he didn’t do a single thing wrong in the parenting of the child previous to his being placed with the adoptive parents nor was he responsible for having lost the child in the first place

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@49: I never said Pa’Dar shouldn’t be allowed to be part of his son’s life; I said the adoptive parents’ rights shouldn’t have been so cavalierly ignored just because they weren’t of the same species as their son.

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11 years ago

49: I can’t see a compelling reason to keep him from his son/daughter, either.

How about because giving him his son/daughter means taking hir away from the parents he loves? Sorry, but the win goes to the people who’ve already done the raising (unless THEY’VE done something wrong).

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MattHamilton
11 years ago

Either way…Sisko made the right and lawful decision in a difficult case…it’s just that the script gave no reason as to why and rushed it in the end.

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11 years ago

Ah, I’ve caught up with you lot again :) . I got behind near the ending of TNG season 6 or so. Good to read some comments by familiar names.

Anyway, about this episode. Indeed rather annoying we are bereft of Sisko’s reasoning. As for the moral discussion on the rights of parenthood, I’ve got another thing to think about. I guess we’ve all heard of (I sincerely hope just remotely heard of…) stories where hospitals accidentaly have changed babies. If anyone would find out within days, changing the babies back seems the rather obvious thing to do. Would reality reveil itself in a dozen years, I doubt one would change kids (or parents for that mater). If I were asked to set a point in time where the ‘wrong’ parents would actually become the ‘rightful’ parents…….., I really couldn’t do so.

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11 years ago

Keith,
Though no specifics of Cardassian law are provided, it is made clear that following Cardassian customs, ethics, logic, or what not, the kid should be reunited with his biological parents.

DanteHopkins
11 years ago

I thought Sisko sending Rugal back to Cardassia was appropriate. Its not pretty or clean-cut, but custody hearings rarely, if ever, are. Yes Rugal had been raised by loving Bajoran parents, but that would not have been necessary if Gul Dukat had not kidnapped Rugal from his biological family and used Rugal as a tool to embarass his Cardassian father Pa’Dar. The poor kid was a pawn in a long game, and there was no real reason to further keep the boy from his Cardassian family. So though it hurt to do it I’m sure, the most appropriate thing was to return Rugal to Pa’Dar.

Man, Dukat is a real bastard.

ChristopherLBennett
11 years ago

@54: I don’t agree. If the only thing that mattered were redressing the wrong committed against Pa’Dar, then sure, the right thing to do would be to return what was taken from him. But Rugal is not a piece of property. He’s a sentient being with feelings, and the only family he’s ever known is the Bajoran one, and just picking him up and forcing him to leave that family is cruel, no matter how justified it may be from the standpoint of the law or of other people’s rights. At the very least there should’ve been a more gradual transition, something that let both sets of parents have a place in his life.

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11 years ago

@57: Didn’t they say that they would arrange visits with his Bajoran parents?

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Greenygal
11 years ago

@59: Not really. O’Brien says that if Rugal ever wants to come back for a visit, he should let O’Brien know and he’ll arrange it. But the show gives us no reason to think O’Brien has any authority to make that promise, and it’s still nothing like agreed-upon visitations.

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11 years ago

Totally late to the party (the DVD was out from the library for awhile, and then we were traveling) but excited to catch back up.

For this one I don’t have much to add that isn’t already said – I found the episode pretty interesting, but agreed that the ending was quite unsatisfying and offputting. It seems like a better compromise that actually acknowledges that the child is a PERSON with certain rights and needs could have been reached – one that respects his need to stay with the family he knows, but also allows his father to have contact with him and perhaps help him (and his parents) learn to have a more balanced view of Cardassians as time goes on. I can’t see how ripping a child from his family and then throwing him into an environment full of people and a culture he is terrified of is going to be a way for him to have ‘healing’, as Sisko says in the voiceover.

I do empathize with the father, as the idea of my child being kidnapped or thought dead is horrifying to me, and of course I would want my child back if I found out he was still alive, even after 8 years. But I hope I could at least understand that it would do him more harm than good to be taken from a stable family – It’s also horrifying to me to think of somebody coming to us in a few years and telling me that my son is actually theirs and taking him.

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11 years ago

@23: This was pretty much my idea. My problem with the ending, aside from it being tacked on, was that it just seemed like a huge disastor. We can talk all we want about how they may have discussed every moral and legal point off camera and arrived at the decision logically. I don’t think that means it’s a good idea for him to be just thrust back into life on Cardassia, and never see his Bajoran parents again (and where is the mother during this, anyway?). I think at the least, they should have some social worker living and working with them for a while, and there should definitely be visitation rights and such.

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10 years ago

I strongly dislike this episode for how wrong it feels, how poorly it’s explained, and for the points raised in #10 about the near-mystical foresight required from Dukat in order for it to all make sense.

As for the law- one question: where the hell are the Bajoran officials in all this? You fly an arbiter out to extradite the federation trill but you don’t fly an official out for a potentially groundbreaking and far-reaching custody hearing of a Bajoran family on a Bajoran station? Cardassian and Federation law should have no bearing here.

The plot is just flat-out disastrous, and isn’t worthy of the character work done in the episode.

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9 years ago

This is a great episode, basically unique to DS9… or at least, you could compare it to the TNG’s “Suddenly Human”, I guess, but the whole Cardassian/Bajoran situation is unique, and it’s used here to full effect.

It is a bit Jarring that Sisko sends Rugal to Cardassia so easily… and doesn’t the Bajoran Provisional Government get any say on this matter? Not only did the show go wrong in not showing how Sisko reached the decision, they went wrong in having Sisko have the last say on this matter.

But I do think Pa’Dar loves his son, and I do agree with @7 that it’s not as simple, and that Rugal was stolen from his family. This kind of situation has happened in my country during the military dictatorship in the 70s and 80s, and in Argentina in the same time, children stolen from their parents and raised in ignorance of their identity… much worse because they weren’t members of an alien species (and they’ve only discovered their true identities as adults).

And in “Suddenly Human”, Jono was not adopted, he was also stolen, by an agressor who killed his parents. He didn’t choose to be a Talarian anymore a Stockholm syndrome victim chooses to love his kidnapper.

In this episode’s case, however, I do agree that Rugal should have stayed with his Bajoran parents, and Pa’Dar given visitation rights so his son can get to know him again.

Something I just noticed… look at the clothes Dukat and Garak wear. Dukat proudly displays his Cardassian neck, while Dukat mostly covers it. Yes, it’s somethign that has to do with Dukat’s uniform, and Padar’s clothes also cover his neck. But I wonder if it wasn’t something done on purpose by the wardrobe department to show Dukat more like a viper, a snake. And Dukat, in universe, might like to downplay his “cardasianess” to others in the station (however obvious it is, neck covered or not, people do react unconsciously to subtle symbolism).

@6 – bookworm1398: I agree with that about Rugal. He’s a teenager, not a toddler, why would he bite Garak instead of just turning around and ignoring him?

@62 – Drawde: No, the plot is not disastrous, the plot is great… the problem is how they resolved it.

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JohnC
9 years ago

I can’t help think that most of the people here arguing that Sisco made the wrong decision with respect to custody don’t have children themselves. Regardless of what you think of the Carcassian parent, he did nothing to deserve to have his biological child taken away from him. He honestly believed the child was dead. There is no evidence that the child was abused or in any other way mistreated before they were separated. To suggest that the best interest of the child would now control and supersede a parent’s right to raise his own children until they reach majority, is flat out stupid.   there is no adverse possession when it comes to parenthood. 

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@64/JohnC: Well, I have two daughters, and I do think that their best interests should supersede my right to raise them. I even think that as a mother I should be more interested in their happiness than in my “right”. So there.

And his Bajoran father didn’t do anything wrong either.

Anyway, the episode is dumb. There are so many solutions they never think of. What about having Rugal go to Cardassia for a while to get to know it before he is allowed to make his own decision? What about the suggestion made in comment #23 – sending him back to Bajor, if that’s what he wants, but giving his biological father the right to visit or maybe to see him on the station every now and then if he isn’t welcome on Bajor?

Also, did O’Brien tell Rugal that he was beaten once or twice by his parents when he was a child? That bothered me too. There are already many countries today where beating children is illegal, and just isn’t done. I would have assumed that this is true for all of humanity in our progressive future.

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

Some unrelated remarks about the episode:

The dinner scene was odd. I thought replicator food was produced instantaneously. So why doesn’t everybody eat what they like best, like in a restaurant? And doesn’t Keiko know that Rugal grew up on Bajor? Why would she assume that he prefers Cardassian food? She comes across as a well-intentioned but not very bright housewife.

We meet a teenage boy, his adopted father, and his biological father. I have the impression that family in Star Trek is predominantly male. Except for cute toddlers, who have to be female.

Someone should have had a talk with Rugal concerning his attitude towards Cardassians and the complicated situation he has gotten into, but they don’t have anyone who could do that, do they? No resident counselor and no one with the appropriate talent. In TOS, I can imagine Kirk or McCoy doing that, in TNG, of course Troi but also Picard or Guinan. Here there’s only O’Brien, who means well but isn’t good with words.

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JohnC
9 years ago

@66 well then we shall agree to disagree.  Your first point is especially perplexing, as you seem especially eager to let some third party decide what the best interest of your children would be, even over your wishes, even if you didn’t do anything wrong. So you’re saying that if someone abducted your children through no fault of your own, as long as they lived with someone else for a sufficient amount of time while they were still minors, you would be perfectly OK in letting some third-party decide they should stay with that other person rather than you. Forgive me, but I completely disagree. And, in this case, Rugal did not have  “Bajoran parents” . He had a Bajoran foster family.    biological Parenthood may not mean much in today’s fractured world. In my view, however, when a parent and child are separated through no fault of either, absent some compelling reason involving abuse or something similar the birth parent should be presumed to know what the best interest of his/her child is.  Deciding otherwise gives way too much control to the state. This harkens back to the Elian Gonzalez case. That was a hard decision, but ultimately, the right one.  JMO.  Peace. 

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JanaJansen
9 years ago

@68/JohnC:

“well then we shall agree to disagree.”

I guess so.

I find it difficult to reply to your abduction scenario because I find it hard to imagine people who would abduct a child and then raise it to be a happy, nice, competent, and responsible adult. In most scenarios I can imagine, I wouldn’t trust an abductor with the child. And I would trust a third party only if they 1) had the child’s best interests at heart and 2) were smart enough to actually find out what those are.

“the birth parent should be presumed to know what the best interest of his/her child is.  Deciding otherwise gives way too much control to the state.”

No, that wouldn’t work in all cases. Fortunately, most parents really want the best for their children, but there are exceptions. There are selfish parents who use or even hurt their children to serve their own interests. (I’ve seen some of those, usually in divorce cases.) There are overburdened parents who harm their children even though they mean well. Parents abuse their children. Parents kill their children. All sorts of things happen. So, the birth parent doesn’t always know what the best interest of the child is, nor is he/she always interested in pursuing it.

Of course, an overeager government official with an agenda can also harm a child or a family. Anybody can be wrong. It’s complicated.

As for the rest, I agree with krad.

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9 years ago

 I follow someone who is currently watching DS9 and reviewing each episode. His review of Cardassians has quite an interesting take on the situation. Basically, the reviewer was adopted by parents who were a different race than he is and he has some insight into Rugul’s  POV that I hadn’t seen before.

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9 years ago

JohnC, I was kind of with you regarding the rights of the biological family (since in this case he did not relinquish his rights by formally giving him up for adoption) but I also agree that trying to minimize his Bajoran parents is a bit of a low blow. I can think of people I know who are adopted who would certainly object to that.  At this point, they are just as much his parents as his biological father and I ultimately agree with krad that’s rather silly that a compromise couldn’t be reached that can honor Rugal’s wishes as well as allow him a chance to rebuild his relationship with his biological father.  Love isn’t a finite thing, there’s no reason they can’t all have a relationship.  The child also has a right to stability.

As for parents having the best interests, in a perfect world, yes, but I also have friends who are trying to adopt and sadly, sometimes the parents won’t sign over the rights even though the kids are being neglected, abused or living part time in an orphanage (although perhaps that would be one of the areas you agree is an exception).

 

@71 – thanks for sharing.

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Tropxe
8 years ago

I’m adopted myself and this is another example of people thinking that adoption is like getting some parent-like bodyguards or something. In fact, you don’t feel any differently about your parents than other people do about their parents. As I just naturally wrote then, it’s not like you think of them as “adoptive parents”, they’re simply your parents. Yes, you have your biological parents’ genes – but all humans share genes anyway. Our DNA is 70% identical to that of a slug, 50% similar to that of a banana!

Unless I missed something, Rugal was legally adopted through an orphanage and there are records of that. A government can take a child into care if their parents aren’t fit to care for them – and I’d say leaving your child alone and dying in the rubble of your home, assuming he’s dead without seeing the body, then leaving the planet you’ve just been present on as part of a brutal occupation would certainly count as being “unfit.” Even if that’s not the case, it’s very clear who are effectively his parents and who is merely a stranger with a strong genetic similarity.

I also think the whole “genre sanctioned racism” thing comes into this. In both sci-fi and fantasy, racism is thrown about with complete abandon, not necessarily marked as a Bad Thing, either. Imagine if all of Dr McCoy’s racist remarks aimed at Spock had instead been equivalent remarks aimed at Uhura, talking about how she lives in a tree or how she should throw some spears at the Klingons. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying “oh no, how dare people insult these fictional races,” but rather that some inherent racism or xenophobia in the writers’ mind comes across in how they joyfully throw all this “safe racism” into scripts without really realising what they’re doing. Within the fiction, they are insulting someone because of their race. Simple as that.

As a result, it made me imagine this episode if Rugal was a white boy who was abandonned by his father, a career politician who was also part of some kind of regime comparable to the Nazis, at least in the eyes of a whole planet of people. He was found by a black family who raised him lovingly for many years. He had no memory of his father at all. Then the white ex-“Nazi” comes along and says “I want my son back.” Then the ending of the episode is the mortified child being taken back away with a complete stranger with no mention of his black parents. Then there’s also an element of what you might call “side character syndrome” in which a different set of values seems to apply to side characters, particularly one-off side characters. If this was Jake, Sisko’s son, and we were told that Sisko found Jake on a battlefield, left for dead, and raised him as his own, would he give him up so calmly? Would the tone of the episode imply this was for the best?

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8 years ago

Good comment, Tropxe. I’ve always said that McCoy’s comments towards Spock are racism, simple as that.

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8 years ago

Pa’dar’s value are, as he describes them, in-line with Cardassian society…therefor they are necessarily insincere and should be dismissed? Weak reasoning. I thought his blustering about his disgrace was supposed to make him seem hidebound so the clear change in his demeanor when Rugal enters the room could serve as a counterpoint.

While I agree the resolution of the custody issue feels a bit rushed (although I’m not sure what showing more of it would accomplish, dramatically), I don’t know why this episode is getting a pasting for being morally complex when this has generally been praised. Proka clearly loves Rugal and I think he’s sincere when he says that he doesn’t blame Rugal for the crimes of others…but Rugal has become self-loathing regardless. Add this to the fact that his was essentially kidnapped away from Pa’dar and restoring custody to him doesn’t seem like a terrible decision. Absolutely not perfect but I like the story for refusing the phoniness of any such solution.

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ndds
8 years ago

I think everyone is overlooking what’s really important here, and that’s that Garak’s outfit makes him look like Mork from Ork.

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7 years ago

Until the incredibly rushed ending, this is a very good episode. I loved the use of Garak and the political maneuverings between Dukat and Pa’Dar, of which Rugal was an unfortunate victim, is very well-handled. Pa’Dar is interesting character as he seems to be the lesser of two evils as opposed to a good and decent man.

The exploration of O’Brien’s racism towards Cardassians was likewise very well-handled. One of the reasons that it worked so well here, as in “The Wounded”, is that he is otherwise such a nice, likeable everyman. It serves to highlight the unfortunate reality that even seemingly very pleasant people can hold bigoted views which only occasionally see the light of day.

I agree with Christopher L. Bennett that Rugal should have stayed with his Bajoran family and Pa’dar should have been given visitation rights as a way of basically easing Rugal into his new situation. Instead, he is thrown in at the deep end. If I were in his shoes, I’m not sure that I’d ever be happy. I think that I could eventually grow to tolerate it but no more than that. I haven’t read The Never Ending Sacrifice but I plan to do so soon.

I’ve never been a huge fan of Avery Brooks’ portrayal of Sisko but he is great here. His sarcastic chastisement of Julian after he interrupts his conversation with Dukat is a delight but the scene in which Julian interrupts his sleep is even better. “Well, by all means. Will one runabout be enough?” could very well be my favourite Sisko line. I would have preferred it if more episodes had taken this approach instead of Brooks’ over the top shout acting.

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john
7 years ago

The episode would have benefited from more Bajoran bureaucracy,  Some distant, “official” position- although what position that would be, I can’t imagine.  I can see the value of keeping Rugal on Bajor as propaganda about how shitty Cardassians are, but on the other hand, you don’t want to give Space Hitler a cudgel to use on his political enemies.

 

All we know about Pa’Dar is that he’s Dukat’s enemy, and that he helped engineer the end of the Occupation.  I want to know more about that.  We’ve already seen Cardassians like Marritza who hated the Occupation- is Pa’Dar one of them?

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Just a little comment – If Rugal’s father would arrive after a couple of months, then would Rugal’s foster parents be more willing to give him up? I think so. And there are 2 reasons for that reasoning – 1. It is logical to assume, that in situations were it is not clear what happened to his biological parents, that the foster parents would have always the feeling or would have always speculate that it is possible that one day the real parents would arrive and claim their child. So foster parents are from the start in the knowlege that this is not their son and the rightful father might someday arrive and if he himself is a victim in this he would have strong reasons to claim his child back, so the foster parents are more mentally ready for such a possibilty. 2. they didn’t invest all that much in the child only in those months to claim the child as their own. 

So for the first reason that deep down a foster parent knows that there may come a day… and the second reason that if it is for a short time they didn’t invest yet as much to try to claim him, I personally don’t know if it is years instead of months, if that would make enough difference. Dear foster parent, as you took this child under your wings, you did a noble deed, but you always knew that this could be a short trip. No one promised you this child. You helped him out. Do you want to be remembered as someone who helped a lost child, or rather someone who didn’t want to give him up to his parents, jsut because you invested so much. 

I didn’t make myself clear enough, but I wanted to write this down, as some of the first posts mentioned that Rugal is their’s, as they invested in that child more then the real parents, with which I strongly disagree as a real argument

waka
6 years ago

I really didn’t like this episode. The one Cardassian that wants to stay on Bajor gets send back. The kids that ask to be taken back are overlooked and it is made clear that Pa’Dar will not do anything at all to bring the orphans back. Instead we get more boring politics, but at least we learn a lot about Cardassian society, which is what saves from becoming utterly bad. Plus, Bashir and Garak work quite well together and it’s a pleasure to watch them both. 

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Richard
5 years ago

Now that I have a child, the very idea that she could be kidnapped from, taken to an orphanage and adopted, and then not returned to me when i discover she’s still alive, is absolutely *abhorrent* to me. It wouldn’t matter at all how good the “adoptive”parents were: anyone who tries to destroy my family had better he prepared to pay with their lives. (“Adoption” in quotes because an adoption made under false pretenses is invalid, anyway).

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3 years ago

I started rewatching ds9 a few days ago, finally. I’m watching a few episodes one after another, and then reading through the rewatch posts in between. :)

This was a very complicated episode. Like the op said, there didn’t seem to be a clear, good answer for everyone involved. My personal opinion is that as long as Rugal gets to keep in touch with his adapted parents, his going with his biological father to learn about his birth family and other cardassians could be good.

It looked to me that his adapted parents loved and cared for Rugal, but however they meant, Rugal ended up hating and fearing cadassians. He didn’t want to be one. And that really can’t be good for his development. I thought if he were to end up back with his adapted parents, they could really use a good family counseling.

It also seemed odd to me how apparently families are so important to cardassians but orphans have no status in their society. If their children are so precious, shouldn’t they have an amazing programs to take care of their children in case the parents die early?

 

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Silly
3 years ago

This episode is pretty awful.  They used the issue of the boy’s family history to kick off the Garak/Julian/Dukat intrigue and then all but forgot about the kid.  The Garak/Julian stuff is very good as is Dukat, but I’m amazed what they did to the kid. 

Can someone explain how Sisko has *any* authority over this boy’s family issues? 

YES, the Bajoran “provisional government” has a say here– they’re Bajor’s government and this a Bajoran station.  If the boy’s biological father wants custody or visitation or whatever, that’s for Bajor courts to decide, not Starfleet.  

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Marcellus
2 years ago

@13 “No, we don’t actually know that his parents have taught him to hate Cardassians. What we know is that he’s been raised as a Bajoran for eight years, and a brutal occupation of Bajor by the Cardassians ended less than one year ago. It’s reasonable to assume that the Cardassians themselves would’ve given him plenty of reason to hate Cardassians without his parents having to indoctrinate him at all. “

This is not a supportable reading. Here’s what Proka says:

SISKO: The Cardassians are suggesting that the Bajorans are raising these orphans to hate their own people.
PROKA: To hate Cardassians? It shouldn’t be too hard, should it? We told him the truth, Commander. The truth about what Cardassia did to Bajor. He needed to know, and for that I make no apologies. To us, he isn’t even one of them anymore. He isn’t Cardassian, he’s Bajoran. And we love him just as if he were our own flesh and blood.

That’s pretty clear-cut, isn’t it? They have taught him to hate Cardassians; it’s just they’ve also taught him, they think, to think of himself as Bajoran, and therefore exempt from their hatred of Cardassians.

And how successful have they been? Here’s what Rugal himself says:

O’BRIEN: It must be tough for you, living on Bajor.
RUGAL: Why?
O’BRIEN: Being Cardassian.
RUGAL: That’s not my fault. I was born that way.
O’BRIEN: That’s not what I meant. There’s nothing wrong with being a Cardassian.
RUGAL: Yes, there is.
O’BRIEN: Who taught you that?
RUGAL: It’s the truth. Everybody knows it.
O’BRIEN: How do your parents feel about Cardassians?
RUGAL: They hate them.
O’BRIEN: Why would you want to live with someone who hates you?
RUGAL: They hate other Cardassians, not me. My parents have never done anything wrong to me.
O’BRIEN: Come on, even I got my bottom whacked by my Dad once or twice.
RUGAL: Not me. My parents follow the teachings of the Prophets. What do you think of Cardassians?
O’BRIEN: Me? Well, I can’t say, really.
RUGAL: Why not?
O’BRIEN: Well, you can’t judge a whole race of people. You can’t hate all Cardassians or all Klingons or all humans. I’ve met some Cardassians I didn’t like, and I’ve met some I did. Like you.
RUGAL: Do you know how many Bajorans the Cardassians murdered during the occupation? Over ten million. We had a test on it in school. I wish I wasn’t Cardassian.

So not only does Rugal knows full well his parents hate Cardassians. But, at the end of the scene, he reveals he disagrees with his parents. He doesn’t see himself as Bajoran. He sees himself as Cardassian.

It’s not surprising he leads the conversation from talking about his parents’ attitude to him to expressing a sense of self-loathing. Because for him it’s not about the crimes of the Cardassians, crimes he (still only a child) had nothing to do with. For him, whether he consciously acknowledges to himself it or not, it’s the knowledge that his parents’ love is conditional on him ‘not being one of them anymore’. And he knows, finally admits, he is ‘one of them’. (There are real-world analogues here, not just to racism, but also less directly to disabilism, mental health stigma, homophobia and transphobia.)

Frankly, I think his adoptive parents are being cut far too much slack here. By his father’s account they love him. And Rugal appears to be prefer life with them on Bajor to the alternative. But that doesn’t make them good parents, or a healthy home environment. Parenting which breaks down a child’s sense of self-identity and self-worth in this way, which makes the child feel they are bad or have reason to be ashamed of themself, and (intentionally or not) messages that parental love is conditional? That’s not good parenting in my book.

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2 years ago

There’s a good argument the orphaned Cardassians have less pronounced features than most of their race and could very well be Bajoran/Cardassian hybrids. Which is very common in these sorts of situations.

Now that I have a child, the very idea that she could be kidnapped from, taken to an orphanage and adopted, and then not returned to me when i discover she’s still alive, is absolutely *abhorrent* to me. It wouldn’t matter at all how good the “adoptive”parents were: anyone who tries to destroy my family had better he prepared to pay with their lives. (“Adoption” in quotes because an adoption made under false pretenses is invalid, anyway).

 

I mean, it becomes one of those things when the specifics of the issue distort any sort of the metaphor. Because the child is going to be returned to a man who was part of a brutal monstrous occupation. I mean, is it healthy to return a child to a war criminal’s household?

YES, the Bajoran “provisional government” has a say here– they’re Bajor’s government and this a Bajoran station.  If the boy’s biological father wants custody or visitation or whatever, that’s for Bajor courts to decide, not Starfleet.  

 

I took a lot of the events of the early season as the Bajoran government attempting to pass the buck to the Federation to avoid any real political controversy or issues. The Cardassians don’t respect the Bajoran government to deal with them (because Dukat doesn’t) so they use Sisko as a middle man.

Frankly, I think his adoptive parents are being cut far too much slack here. By his father’s account they love him. And Rugal appears to be prefer life with them on Bajor to the alternative. But that doesn’t make them good parents, or a healthy home environment. Parenting which breaks down a child’s sense of self-identity and self-worth in this way, which makes the child feel they are bad or have reason to be ashamed of themself, and (intentionally or not) messages that parental love is conditional? That’s not good parenting in my book.

 

I feel that making equations of the Cardassians with mentally-ill or LGBT individuals is a rather dangerous comparison given the fact the Cardies are a fascist government. That seems dangerously close to reversing oppressor and oppression. He’s more like the son of a Nazi official in France.

 

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Tuomas
1 year ago

One thing that bugged me upon rewatching this episode: why isn’t Dukat forced to resign after the events of this episode? If family is as important to Cardassians as suggested here, then what he did to Rugal and Pa’Dar should be considered a terrible, shameful deed on Cardassia. And Pa’Dar is said to be a political rival to Dukat, so what reason does he have not to report these events to the Cardassian government? There’s enough evidence that the government should be sufficiently convinced of Dukat’s involvement, and Bajor and Sisko would probably be happy to hand that evidence over to Cardassia if it helps bring Dukat down.

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Tuomas
1 year ago

Pa’Dar was deceived into thinking his son was dead. Why would that becoming public knowledge trash his career? Even by Cardassian standards he should be considered a victim of a conspiracy, not someone who’s done something wrong.

And even if the Cardassian government would not accept the testimony of the Bajoran orphanage administrator as proper evidence, surely Sisko could give them the tapes of the custody hearing? It’s probably not enough evidence for the courts, but seeing Dukat’s reactions during that hearing should be enough for the government to understand what had really happened, so they could punish him unofficially by demoting him even if they can’t put him on trial.