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Shell Shock and Eldritch Horror: “Dagon”

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Published on October 7, 2014

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Welcome back to the Lovecraft reread, in which two modern Mythos writers get girl cooties all over old Howard’s original stories. Today we’re looking at “Dagon,” written in July 1917 and first published in the November 1919 issue of The Vagrant. You can read the story here. Spoilers ahead.

Summary: The narrator is about to run out of morphine, and unable to afford more. Rather than face life without it, he plans to hurl himself from his garret window. He’s no weakling: when he tells his story, you’ll understand why he must have forgetfulness or death.

Early in WWI, his ship’s taken captive by Germans. They treat their prisoners gently—so gently that he escapes.

That’s probably because they’re not worried about letting a guy who can’t navigate “escape” on a tiny boat in the middle of the Pacific. He drifts for days—then finally awakens to find his boat grounded in a putrid quagmire of black slime, barren save for the carcasses of rotting fish. He theorizes that some volcanic upheaval has lifted an ancient piece of ocean floor, exposing lands drowned for millions of years.

The ground dries during the day—soon it should be possible to travel. He prepares a pack and sets out, looking for the vanished sea and possible rescue. (Because there’s always someone—or something—to rescue you on a recently risen island.)

He goes west, heading towards a hummock that rises above the rest of the barren, featureless plain (covered in rotting fish). By the fourth evening he reaches its base, where he sleeps. His dreams are wild visions, and he wakes in a cold sweat.

But he now realizes that it’s far cooler and more pleasant to travel at night, and sets out to ascend the mound (but not The Mound, which would be worse). The unbroken monotony of the plain has been a horror—but not so great a horror as reaching the top and seeing the chasm that falls away on the other side, too deep for moonlight to penetrate. The slope has plenty of good handholds, and urged on by curiosity he descends to stand on the edge of the abyss.

On the opposite slope stands a giant white stone—and though it’s been underwater since the world was young, its contours aren’t entirely natural. It’s clearly a monolith (but not The Monolith, which would be worse)—perhaps religious—shaped by thinking creatures.

As the moon rises, he examines it with a mixture of fear and scientific wonder. It’s covered with marine hieroglyphs, and bas-reliefs of humanoid figures with webbed feet, bulging eyes, and other, less pleasant features. The figures seem to be out of proportion, for there’s a carving of one killing a whale not much bigger than itself. He decides they must be the gods of some pre-Neanderthal seafaring tribe.

But then, he sees it. A giant figure, like those in the carvings, emerges from the water, darts to the monolith, and flings scaly arms around the edifice. It bows its head and makes “certain measured sounds.”

The narrator remembers little of his mad scramble back to the boat. He recalls singing, and laughing, and a great storm. When he comes to himself, he’s in a hospital in San Francisco. The sea captain who rescued him paid little attention to his delirious rantings, and he doesn’t press the issue. Later, he asks an ethnologist about the Philistine legend of the fish-god Dagon, but gets no useful answers.

But at night, especially when the moon is gibbous and waning, he sees it. Morphine only helps occasionally—but has addicted him thoroughly. He wonders sometimes if his vision of the slimy plain, the monolith, the creature, were only feverish hallucination. But his visions are too hideous and certain to truly believe this. He shudders to think of the creatures that crawl on slime of the ocean floor, worshipping their ancient idols and carving their own “detestable likenesses” in stone.

I dream of a day when they may rise above the billows to drag down in their reeking talons the remnants of puny, war-exhausted mankind—of a day when the land shall sink, and the dark ocean floor shall ascend amidst universal pandemonium.

The end is near. I hear a noise at the door, as of some immense slippery body lumbering against it. It shall not find me. God, that hand! The window! The window!”

What’s Cyclopean: The monolith. Plus, as Anne points out, there’s an actual reference to Polyphemus.

The Degenerate Dutch: Germans weren’t nearly so “degraded” at the beginning of World War I as they were by the end. Just compare those guys in “The Temple.”

Mythos Making: That’s not quite a Deep One. Is it a Deep One giant? Subspecies? Thing that Deep Ones worship? Does it ever visit Innsmouth?

Libronomicon: There’s that fabulous monolith, with the hieroglyphs—pictographs, really—that we never get to read. Don’t you want to go back and find out what they say?

Madness Takes Its Toll: For all the jokes about sanity points, relatively few Lovecraft characters are actually driven completely mad by their experiences, and even fewer have a “madness” that’s any recognizable mental illness. Here’s one with PTSD, self-medicating with morphine.

Anne’s Commentary

In my book, “Dagon” is Lovecraft’s first Mythos story, or at least THE proto-Mythos story. Juvenilia aside, it’s one of his earliest completed works, which makes it the more interesting how many Lovecraftian concepts and stylistic quirks appear here. It features an anonymous narrator who admits to mental instability. However, he wasn’t always unstable—no degenerate or weakling. Nope, he was mentally sound enough to be the officer in charge of his vessel’s cargo, and the only one of its crew with the initiative to escape their German captors. (How scandalized Karl of “The Temple” would have been by this unPrussian laxity!) Like so many of Lovecraft’s protagonists, he experiences wild dreams; indeed, he may have dreamed or imagined the whole central incident. At least he rather hopes he dreamed or imagined it. Yet in the end the reality of the unreal catches up with him, and his written account must end abruptly, not with the customary scrawl but with an unlikely repetition of “The window! The window!” Dude, are you in a hurry or not?

The long-hidden region of wonder and terror is another idea Lovecraft will explore many times, and both wonder and terror are the narrator’s emotions when he encounters it. Though the hidden region is of appalling antiquity, predating Homo sapiens, yet it still has ruins with weird carvings, and denizens of a sort. Their appearance blows the narrator’s mind, and he flees he knows not how, because mind blown. Later, rescuers pay no mind to his babblings. The only authority he dares question is “hopelessly conventional,” so no hope of belief or sympathy there.

And then there are the stylistic hallmarks. The “uns” are represented by “unutterable, unfathomable, unending, unprecedented, unknown.” “Cyclopean” appears, twice if you count the description of the monster as “Polyphemus-like,” invoking the Cyclops Odysseus blinds. Then there’s that moon illuminating the climax, gibbous and fantastical, casting queer reflections and shadows. The moon often acts as a demi-divine and sardonic observer in Lovecraft stories—see “Shadow Out of Time” for the fullest flowering of this conceit.

Specific forerunners of Mythos ideas are also vividly present. You could say “Dagon” provides a tentative outline for “Call of Cthulhu.” In “Call” Lovecraft will fully develop the rise and second sinking of a drowned land mass in a little-traversed expanse of the Pacific, preceded by wild dreaming among human sensitives. Explorers will marvel at the ruins on this Atlantis-revenant, though they’ll have little time to examine them before a living relic crashes their party. And survivors? Well, let’s say that things that should have gone unseen have ways of sooner or later getting rid of witnesses.

“Dagon” even iterates the central Mythos premise that man is not the only or the greatest sentience in the universe, and that his reign may end with a bang rather than a whimper. “I dream of a day,” the narrator writes, “when they may rise above the billows to drag down in their reeking talons the remnants of puny, war-exhausted mankind—of a day when the land shall sink, and the dark ocean floor shall ascend amidst universal pandemonium.” And amidst the universal pandemonium, will not Great Cthulhu raven in joy forever?

The Deep Ones, now. Their literary ancestor must be the creature that embraces the monolith. The webbed digits, the wide and flabby lips, the bulging eyes—sounds like the Innsmouth look to me. The aquatic motifs on the monolith bring to mind those on exotic jewelry associated with the shadowed town. The creature and the carven monstrosities do seem much larger than the Innsmouth Deep Ones. I’m reminded of August Derleth’s “posthumous collaboration” with Lovecraft, “The Shuttered Room.” Its Deep One starts out the size of a tiny frog, having shrunk from years of inanition. By the end of the story, it’s eaten its way back to man-size. I don’t know whether Lovecraft imagined the Deep Ones to be so variable. Gigantic dimensions suit the dream-like and mythic “Dagon,” but it only makes fictive sense for Lovecraft to downsize his amphibious humanoids for “Shadow Over Innsmouth”—after all, they need to live in human-scaled houses and, um, you know, associate with humans. Closely. Uncomfortably closely.

Of course, Father Dagon himself will reappear in “Innsmouth.” Why, he’ll even have an esoteric order named after him!

Last thought: The plain on which the narrator of “Dagon” finds himself stranded must have seemed particularly horrible to Lovecraft. Though a resident of the Ocean State—or perhaps because of that—he apparently had an abhorrence for the sea and seafood and the smell of fish. Nasty mud, putrid with decaying sea beasties, yeah, scary. Innsmouth and Innsmouthers also smell strongly of fish, we’ll later learn. Location, location, location? Not for Lovecraft, that’s for sure.

PS: Just realized that the deeply cleft hummock with the monolith at the bottom, embraced by a fishy creature, surrounded by general ewww may speak (from the sunken city of the author’s subconscious) to the sexual anxiety we first discussed in “Thing on the Doorstep.” As Ruthanna’s commentary will show, this story’s got unexpected depths and currents for so seemingly slight a tale.

Ruthanna’s Commentary

Here’s one that I’ve somehow managed to skip in the past—probably why the name “Dagon” didn’t stand out for me on first reading “Innsmouth” nearly as strongly as the more familiar Mythos gods. He doesn’t stand out much here, either, in spite of the title—the connection with the Sumerian deity seems a bit of an afterthought, and doesn’t add much to an effective if xenophobic story.

And man, is it xenophobic. The horrible thing about the fish-creatures is simply that they exist, going about their business, worshipping their gods, even PORTRAYING THEMSELVES IN ART. The horror.

And let’s not forget, like all scary foreign creatures, some day they may rise to take over the world and wipe us from the face of the earth. Why not, we’d clearly do the same thing to them, given the chance. Or at least, Lovecraft’s narrator would.

So my knee-jerk reaction to the narrator is: “Gods, what a xenophobic coward.” He claims not to be weak; I’m not sure how else to interpret his inability to sanely face a moderately alien intelligence, one that shares humanity’s need for religion and art, but shouldn’t particularly be in competition for territory.

But then there’s the contrasting intimation that the narrator lets slip—that his real fear is that humanity, with our horrifying wars, doesn’t actually deserve this world as much as a bunch of slimy prehistoric humanoids. That they’ll destroy us not because they’re monsters, but because we are. This, one of Lovecraft’s first published stories, was written a year and a half before the Great War’s end, and published scant months after. Perhaps one has some sympathy after all.

This species self-hatred is subtler in later stories, but may explain some of the weird terror of other, grosser—and perhaps better—races. The Yith do a lot of nasty things, after all, but they don’t war among themselves. This fits the reference to Paradise Lost as well, and Satan’s fall and attempted climb from the depths. Is humanity the fallen angel, who deserves to fall?

(I was wrong, in my “Color Out of Space” commentary, when I said Lovecraft doesn’t often use religious imagery. It was just easy to gloss over prior to these close reads, as much of Lovecraft’s subtlety—well hidden by his total lack of subtlety on the surface—often is.)

The war also shows itself in the perhaps deliberate similarity between the narrator’s breakdown and the “shell shock” that we were just starting to admit was common among returning soldiers—not merely a rare sign of cowardice. This being Lovecraft, it’s live—if strange—people, not violence, that has such a traumatic effect.

And what about that monster, native to the deepest seas, who comes to the surface solely to worship at its accustomed shrine? There’s awe and gratitude in its prayerful embrace of the monolith, a moment of easy empathy that’s all the more startling given that it probably wasn’t intended as such.

This is something I don’t understand about Lovecraft, and one of the reasons I keep coming back and trying to figure him out. He was as wrong about humanity as it’s possible to be without actually believing that we’re all sessile pebbles—so very, very wrong in a way that usually leads to unreadably bad worldbuilding. “Worldbuilding is a moral act” is one of my tenets as a writer—I tend to believe that a certain self-aware empathy, an awareness of the universe’s awe-inspiring variation, is necessary to write something that even manages a pale shadow of the emotional impact of looking out your window. You don’t always have to like what you see, but you have to know that people who’re different from you exist in their own right, see the world through their own biases, and are their own protagonists.

And yet, in the face of Lovecraft’s absolute fear of the Other, his worlds take on their own multidimensional life, and the (for want of a better word) humanity of his ostensible monsters sometimes shines through in a way that’s inexplicably redemptive. Perhaps even early on there are seeds of what, in his final stories, will become a tentative but explicit acknowledgement that it’s possible to bridge that gap. Do those seeds, rooting underneath the massive xenophobia, help give the Mythos its power?

Excuse me while I rearrange the inside of my head a little. I feel a bit uncomfortable, because I don’t want to take this as an excuse for the massive xenophobia. But it certainly feels like an interesting way of interrogating it.

Next week, we move from the Pacific to the Catskills for “The Lurking Fear.”


Ruthanna Emrys’s neo-Lovecraftian novelette “The Litany of Earth” is available on Tor.com, along with the more recent but distinctly non-Lovecraftian “Seven Commentaries on an Imperfect Land.” Her work has also appeared at Strange Horizons and Analog. She can frequently be found online on Twitter and Livejournal. She can’t think of anything new and interesting to say about herself this week, and neither can her wife.

Anne M. Pillsworth’s short story “Geldman’s Pharmacy” received honorable mention in The Year’s Best Fantasy and Horror, Thirteenth Annual Collection.The Madonna of the Abattoir” is published on Tor.com, and her first novel, Summoned, is available from Tor Teen. She currently lives in a Victorian trolley car suburb of Providence, Rhode Island.

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Ruthanna Emrys is the author of A Half-Built Garden, Winter Tide, and Deep Roots, as well as co-writer of Reactor's Reading the Weird column with Anne M. Pillsworth. She writes radically hopeful short stories about religion and aliens and psycholinguistics. She lives in a mysterious manor house on the outskirts of Washington, DC with her wife and their large, strange family. There she creates real versions of imaginary foods, gives unsolicited advice, and occasionally attempts to save the world.
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Anne M. Pillsworth’s short story “Geldman’s Pharmacy” received honorable mention in The Year’s Best Fantasy and Horror, Thirteenth Annual Collection. She currently lives in a Victorian “trolley car” suburb of Providence, Rhode Island. Summoned is her first novel.

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10 years ago

Possibly Lovecraft’s first “satisfying” story; this was second Lovecraft I encountered and I’m still fond of it. There were three Weird Tales appearances in three different decades, also of interest are:

October 1923: a reprint of Poe’s “The Pit and the Pendulum”.

January 1936: August Derleth’s “The Satin Mask”, C. L. Moore’s “Jirel of Joiry” story “The Dark Land” and the second part of Robert E. Howard’s serial “The Hour of the Dragon”.

November 1951: Margaret St. Clair’s “The Bird”, August Derleth’s “Hector”, Robert Bloch’s “The Night They Crashed the Party”, a reprint of Robert E. Howard’s “Pigeons from Hell” and de Camp and Pratt’s “Gavagan’s Bar” story “When the Night Wind Howls”.

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10 years ago

And man, is it xenophobic. The horrible thing about the fish-creatures is simply that they exist, going about their business, worshipping their gods, even PORTRAYING THEMSELVES IN ART. The horror.
Ruthanna’s commentary reminded me of the dialogue in the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie, about people’s prejudice against fish people.

Murtogg: I blame the fish-people.
Mullroy: [Sarcastically] Ohh, so fish-people, by dint of being fish-people are less disciplined than non-fish-people?

DemetriosX
10 years ago

There’s definitely some prototyping of later stuff here: R’lyeh, Deep Ones. Although it shows the writer HPL would eventually become, I think it has a few problems. For one, the island is simply too big. The narrator walks for days before discovering the cleft and the monolith.

The bigger problem for me though is the lengths Lovecraft goes to in order to give us reasons for dismissing the whole thing. The narrator was (allegedly) adrift at sea without food or water for a dangerously long time and he’s a drug addict. Later narrators tend to be a lot more trustworthy and give us reasons to believe them. This guy is just a strung-out nutter. It weakens the tale for me.


Yet in the end the reality of the unreal catches up with him, and his written account must end abruptly, not with the customary scrawl but with an unlikely repetition of “The window! The window!” Dude, are you in a hurry or not?

Perhaps he was dictating it.

Are there any other references to WWI besides this and “The Temple”? Certainly the war was well in the past when he produced most of his work, but it definitely had developed its reputation as a thing of horror and a destroyer of sanity. I suppose he might have had the war on his mind when he wrote this one, since he had to register for the draft in mid-1917. I wonder what would have become of him if he’d been called up.

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10 years ago

@3: “Herbert West-Reanimator”?

As for plausible deniability, I seem to remember that, six years before this, Edgar Rice Burroughs feared his friends would consider him unsound if they found out about Under the Moons of Mars.

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10 years ago

The “wide and flabby lips, the bulging eyes” also remind me of the fish-creatures from The Doom that Came to Sarnath, one of the Dreamlands stories. They get around!

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10 years ago

As I read the description of the story, I’m also getting a vibe of William Hope Hodgson’s Boats of the “Glen Carrig”.

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AMPillsworth
10 years ago

JoeNotCharles @@@@@ 5 HPL does like to assign fishy-froggy features to his nonhumans. The moon-born followers of Bokrug are also like jellyfish in their softness. Triple ewww to the ocean-phobic Lovecraft? Apart from “dancing horribly,” they seem harmless, and I think we’re meant to be glad when their persecutors finally get theirs.

The creature in Dagon doesn’t bother the narrator, either. Possibly doesn’t even notice him. I’m kinda-sorta inclined to wonder whether that hand at the door doesn’t belong to the landlord, come after past due rent.

DemetriosX
10 years ago

@7 Anne
Or his dealer, who let him have some opium on a promise to pay later.

You do have to wonder why he stuck around a place like San Francisco after his ordeal. A move to Arizona or west Texas would have seemed to have been in order.

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10 years ago

Dagon isn’t a Sumerian deity. He’s a Caananite/Levantine one, tho’ he started further east.

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10 years ago

“I tend to believe that a certain self-aware empathy, an awareness of the universe’s awe-inspiring variation, is necessary”

— Lovecraft generally portrays his aliens as awe-inspiring, beings with their own culture and motivations.

He (or more accurately his protagonists) just doesn’t usually -like- them, and usually regards them with fear and horror.

His protagonists exhibit lots of empathy, but not much sympathy. The two are not the same.

“I don’t want to take this as an excuse for the massive xenophobia.”

— xenophobia is to the collective what the immune system is to the individual.

Too active an immune system will kill you as your body rejects its food or its own tissues, which is analogous to excessive aggression and paranoia.

Too little and you’re a helpless petri dish for opportunistic attackers, which is analogous to assuming that all strangers are just friends you haven’t met yet, aka being a sucker/chump.

In other words, there’s nothing wrong with xenophobia as such; like most human qualities, it’s a Baby Bear/Momma Bear/Papa Bear situation. You need just enough.

Human beings are often extremely dangerous and do horrible things to outsiders; this story was written about the time my grandfather was gassed on the Western Front.

Why should aliens beings be assumed to be any better?

For Deep Ones, mentally transpose “Daesh/ISIS”.

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Billionyear
10 years ago

DemetriosX @3 “Are there any other references to WWI besides this and “The Temple”?”

In “Pickman’s Model,” the narrator says “I guess you saw enough of me in France to know I’m not easily knocked out.” So yes, Lovecraft clearly thought of the war in the same mind-bending catagory as the horrors of the Mythos.

Randolph Carter, Lovecraft’s alter ego/Mary Sue, served during the War in the French Foreign Legion. The experience didn’t leave him any more unbalanced than he already was.

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10 years ago

Yeah, the “Dude, what the hell is even your problem?”-vibe is strong with this one. I never understood what exactly made the protagonist of this story lose his shit so completely.

Okay, I mean clearly it was seeing the fish-creature-thingy, but from an empathy standpoint I just couldn’t relate. At all. Because, as was pointed out in the commentary, nothing much happens except fish-creature-thingy appears and wuvs its religious idol.

Maybe the protagonist is just really scared of love and hugs? And fish?

And the thing with the window (the window): That’s a problem I have with most letter-/diary-style narratives. Characters just tend to write down stuff they really never would write down in real life.

@3 DemetriosX

Perhaps he was dictating it.

Oh, shut up!

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10 years ago


Dagon is probably the inspiration for Lovecraft’s fish-people.

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Jaime Chris
10 years ago

“And yet, in the face of Lovecraft’s absolute fear of the Other, his worlds take on their own multidimensional life, and the (for want of a better word) humanity of his ostensible monsters sometimes shines through in a way that’s inexplicably redemptive. Perhaps even early on there are seeds of what, in his final stories, will become a tentative but explicit acknowledgement that it’s possible to bridge that gap. Do those seeds, rooting underneath the massive xenophobia, help give the Mythos its power?”

I have to think about this more; I would like to think that Lovecraft’s work has power DESPITE his xenophobia. Yet he obviously tapped into something powerful, or we all wouldn’t still be discussing him! After a class on Jungian theory, one of my students asked me, “Is racism part of the collective unconscious?” I wasn’t quite sure how to answer and said so. I’d like to think it’s NOT but the fear of the Other is so prevalent and ongoing that I wonder.

Perhaps Lovecraft understood something fundamental to the human experience; his “Others” don’t just have different colour skin, they have tentacles, so it’s “safe” to hate them! I know that he hated seafood; thus, perhaps, the aquatic nature of so many of his monsters. However, there is also something atavistic about it.

“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.” What if we replace “unknown” with “known?” I know Freudian analysis is unfashionable these days. Yet, as our host Ruthanna notes, in Lovecraft’s work there is a sense of trying to “bridge that gap.” Lovecraft doesn’t screw around or sugar-coat anything for his readers. What would the embodied Id look like – maybe Cthulhu? And do his stories offer the chance of embracing that Id? Like Ruthanna, I think so – and isn’t the Id the ultimate Other?

Best,
Jaime
:)

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10 years ago

It took 3 posts to get from a Lovecraft story to a Monty Python reference. This must be a new record. I applaud you all.

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10 years ago

@17 Ryamano

And you’re only the second person to notice/care about it.

I non-applaud in the general direction of this comment section, which for the most part smells of elderberries.

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AMPillsworth
10 years ago

birgit @@@@@ 15 I would so wear the fish-head hat with attached pisciform chain mail capelet. Project Runway contestants, take note.

Randalator @@@@@ 18 Mmmm, elderberries.

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MTCarpenter
10 years ago

There are a few comic book adaptations, but perhaps not as many as you would think, given the juicy imagery at the end. Richard Corben’s Haunt of Horror from 2009 has a decent version, probably my favorite. From 2011 in Lovecraft Anthology #1 by Selfmadehero there is a version by Dan Lockwood with lovely art by Alice Duke. Calum Ian MacIver published an adaptation in Strange Aeons magazine. Steven Cariello’s effort was reprinted in the Transfuzion Publishing omnibus The Worlds of HP Lovecraft in 2009. Mark Rudolph published an adaptation with Kickstarter funding in about 2011. In terms of presentations, The HP Lovecraft Literary Podcast did one in 2009: http://hppodcraft.com/2009/07/23/episode-3-dagon/. I really like Nick Gisburne’s reading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Teu0PWZxlw. The 2001 movie titled Dagon is actually a retelling of The Shadow Over Innsmouth. There are many lovely images of Dagon available if you just peruse Google images for a moment. There are no real modern sequels per se that I know of. The novel Dagon by Fred Chappell has nothing to do with HPL’s story, and any way, I couldn’t stand it. Instead most current mythos authors simply roll Dagon into the Innsmouth story, as in Father Dagon and Mother Hydra. My biggest problem with Dagon is the ending. I always think about the Knights of the Holy Grail and the search for Castle Argh. “Perhaps he was dictating!”

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10 years ago

@21: I think that the problems with the ending inevitably arise from the first person “confession” perspective (there may be a better name). Chris Priest noted that John Wyndham got round this by having his narrator observe the actions of the protagonist, something the more mature Lovecraft would do in (for example) “Pickman’s Model”.

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Russell H
10 years ago

Another interesting aspect of this story to modern readers is its basis, like “The Call of Chthulhu” and maybe others, on the geological theories then prevalent: that is, it’s pre-“plate tectonics.”

As I understand it, up through the 1940s or so, the most common belief was in the concept of land-masses violently and relatively suddenly upthrusting or sinking at random or unpredictable times (hence, the long-lived beliefs in “lost continents” such as Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, etc.)

A great visual representation of pre-plate tectonics geology in action is the “Rite of Spring” sequence in FANTASIA (that whole segment is also a fascinating snapshot of the world of paleontology c. 1940).

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Jaime Chris
10 years ago

Elderberry wine is teh best; if anyone has some, pass it this way please! :P

I feel it’s quite tempting to “excuse” Lovecraft on the basis of his time/place. Yet, from what I understand of critical race theory, that’s not a realistic option. As much as I love him, I’ve cringed at stories like “The Horror at Red Hook” and “He.” You don’t have to go very far to find racism and xenophobia in pretty much of all his works. Don’t EVEN get me started on sexism and Lovecraft; the vagina/Chthulhu theories abound and women are the true “absent presence” in his works.

I rank Lovecraft up there with the trans-Atlantic modernists and I am challenged by him for the same reasons. Eliot and Pound wrote some of the best poetry I’ve ever read; yet they were racists, sexists, and anti-Semites. Do we love their work “despite” that, do we disregard their work, or do we say that all the prejudice in their work is the REASON we love them? EEEP. That last is a really scary thought; perhaps as fearful as Lovecraft’s stories?

I know I’m kind of babbling and I feel like this train of thought is going to a not-okay place. One of my professional specialities is horror literature (as if you couldn’t tell by me talking about Freud!) but this is a horrific theme that I’m not sure I’ve fully confronted. Again, I need to think about all this more.

Best,
Jaime
:)

PS: In the interest of full disclosure, I have to admit that I’m a white middle-class pansexual professional woman (wow, that’s a hella lot of adjectives, huh?) who lives in the Northeast U.S. Ergo, I benefit from a lot of the same “privilege” as did Lovecraft and I try to be mindful of that.

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a1ay
10 years ago

Elderberry wine is teh best; if anyone has some, pass it this way please!

There’s a couple of old ladies in Brooklyn who make their own; I guarantee that, after you’ve tried it, you’ll never find anything better.

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10 years ago

And yet, in the face of Lovecraft’s absolute fear of the Other, his
worlds take on their own multidimensional life, and the (for want of a
better word) humanity of his ostensible monsters sometimes shines
through in a way that’s inexplicably redemptive. Perhaps even early on there are seeds of what, in his final stories, will become a tentative
but explicit acknowledgement that it’s possible to bridge that gap. Do
those seeds, rooting underneath the massive xenophobia, help give the Mythos its power?

I’ve always thought that was the case, at least in part. An author who’s afraid of everything is an author who can make everything seem terrifying. The other main thing that gives the Mythos stories in particular their power is that the threat is existential. Humanity is a supremely egotistical species, ever craving to be at the center of everything — the household, the community, the Earth, the galaxy, the universe. Everyone and everything must pay attention to us, look at us right now, look what we did. A monster that doesn’t care whether it steps on you or not, a monster that barely notices you, even a monster that did “human things” before you, is scarier to people than a monster that just wants to suck their blood or claw them to death. Those things imply that the person being sucked or clawed is still, in some way, important.

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AMPillsworth
10 years ago

@@@@@ 26 maxfieldgardner Yes, at least if you’re something’s food supply, it NEEDS you.

As we’ll soon see in “Call of Cthulhu,” the cosmic monsters sometimes need humans to open their prison doors or call them from other dimensions, but I think cultists are fooling themselves that Big C will cater to their pathetically limited ideas for making mayhem once they’ve set him (it) loose.

Typical human god-making behavior. ;)

Unlike the Deep Ones in “Innsmouth,” the proto-Deep One of “Dagon” seems free of necessary or desired ties to humanity. Just hanging out, doing its own thing. Again, one might readily suppose that the drug-addled narrator is a victim of self-centered paranoia in his conviction that the sea-creatures are AFTER him, monstrous hands and all.

DemetriosX
10 years ago

It occurs to me that the reason the proto-Deep One is after our narrator is that he has, quite by accident, “profaned” its rites. That was something of a staple of adventure literature from about the mid-19th century. Usually the doomed westerners had stolen something from a temple (The Moonstone, for example), but sometimes merely seeing the rites was enough to bring retribution.

OTOH, this thing is only a little smaller than a whale. I think it might have been noticed as it wandered the streets of San Francisco looking for its victim.

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AMPillsworth
10 years ago

DemetriosX @@@@@ 28 Well, I think that either you were right about the hand belonging to his dealer, or else Deep Ones, proto- or otherwise, come in a wide range of packaging. The one at the door would be the travel size, able to fit comfortably in human duds snatched off clotheslines, a la Kirk and Spock in “City at the Edge of Forever.”

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10 years ago

@29: Has anyone combined Star Trek and Lovecraft? I know Robert Bloch wrote several TOS episodes but I’m blanking on anything else. (I know that Alan Moore wrote some weird stories for the Star Wars comics and that the Great Intelligence from Doctor Who is sometimes equated with Yog-Sogthoth…)

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Greenygal
10 years ago

@31–Barbara Hambly’s Trek novel Crossroad features a dystopian future Federation partnered with distinctly Lovecraftian creatures known as “yagghorth”.

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AMPillsworth
10 years ago

R.Emrys @@@@@ 32 Brrr, yes. Pointy ears would be nothing to it.

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10 years ago

I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned here yet, but the first licensed game of the H.P. Lovecraft mythos is on Kickstarter now. “The Case of Charles Dexter Ward” seeks to translate the story to a video game format, and looks pretty amazing for the effort.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/agustincordes/h-p-lovecrafts-the-case-of-charles-dexter-ward

tikitang
7 years ago

Hey, ‘Dagon’ is 100 years old this year. Happy centenary! A century on and puny, war-exhausted mankind is still here and the land has not yet sunk, nor the the dark ocean floor ascended amidst universal pandemonium! So keep dreaming!

A few comments:

@3 

For one, the island is simply too big. The narrator walks for days before discovering the cleft and the monolith.

 

Lovecraft never suggests a small island has risen from the sea, but a landmass of indeterminable size, which was not at odds with the scientific theories of the time, as somebody else has suggested further up. It’s not unreasonable, in the context of the tale, that it could even be a couple of hundred miles wide, which would literally take days to cross and make the ocean invisible from any direction if you were far enough into the interior. 

The narrator was (allegedly) adrift at sea without food or water for a dangerously long time

On the contrary, the narrative says he packed plenty of food and water “for a good length of time”.

@7 

You do have to wonder why he stuck around a place like San Francisco after his ordeal.

 

It doesn’t say he did stick around in SF, only that’s where he woke up.

Somebody has theorised on Wikipedia that the incident where a man is reported to have jumped out of a window in London in ‘The Call of Cthulhu’ (during the period in April 1925 when R’lyeh arises from the sea and Cthulhu awakens, causing psychically-transmitted mass hysteria around the world) is the same incident described at the end of this story. It’s a bit of a stretch, but it’s not unreasonable. It means that the narrator was likely British (which is fine — the British did actually trade in the South Pacific during WW1 and German sea raiders were specifically deployed to attack their ships in order to disrupt their trade), hence why he might return from San Francisco to London. Perhaps he kept his morphine-addiction going for most of the following decade after his traumatic incident in 1914. Perhaps it was because of Cthulhu’s psychic shockwave that he hallucinated particularly hard that night about a “hand” opening his door. I think it’s too tenuous a connection myself, but it’s possible.

One thing I find amusing about this story is that the narrator consults a “celebrated ethnologist” about the Philistine deity, Dagon, in connection with what he has witnessed. It might be the case that years of desperate, frantic research into any and every myth and legend concerning aquatic/fish-like deities/monsters in human history has lead him to this connection, but I think an important clue is revealed earlier in the tale:

“Through my terror ran curious reminiscences of Paradise Lost, and of Satan’s hideous climb through the unfashioned realms of darkness.”

 

The narrator — the supercargo of a freight vessel — is clearly intimately well-versed in Milton’s ‘Paradise Lost’, if various scenes from the poem actually spring to mind when beholding natural phenomenon in the world. Those South Pacific sea-voyages must be really long! Anyway, elsewhere in Milton’s poem this verse can be found:

Dagon his name, sea-monster, upward man
And downward fish; yet had his temple high
Reared in Azotus, dreaded through the coast
Of Palestine, in Gath and Ascalon,
and Accaron and Gaza’s frontier bounds

 

Perhaps these words were also “curious reminiscences” in the mind of the narrator which is why he made the connection between what he saw and why he enquired specifically about Dagon. I would also dare suggest that they are a possible source of inspiration for Lovecraft’s tale.

But the funniest part of all for me is that the narrator describes the “celebrated ethnologist” as “hopelessly conventional”. What exactly did he expect from an academic? To stick with verifiable historical information, or to entertain eccentric ideas that Dagon was not just a deity worshipped in the Ancient Near East, but an actual, living sea-monster who is still around today, hangin’ out in the South Pacific?

To close my comments on this story, I’d like to suggest (in the light of the later-written “Mythos”) that the creature in the tale is, if not actually “Father Dagon” himself (referenced in ‘The Shadow Over Innsmouth’) a particularly large and long-lived Deep One who has grown to a great size. Also, this:

“…the creatures were shewn disporting like fishes in the waters of some marine grotto, or paying homage at some monolithic shrine which appeared to be under the waves as well…”

 

Could the monolithic shrine be a part of R’lyeh itself, even a shrine to Cthulhu, as yet unknown to and unidentifiable by the narrator? 

tikitang
7 years ago

Here’s another interesting little scrap of information I discovered today:

http://www.thethinkersgarden.com/2017/09/the-mermaid-isles-project/#.Wbef7tIrLAV

No mention of Dagon here, but Oannes, also half-man and half-fish, who taught humans the secrets of civilisation in the ancient near-east. According to Wikipedia, these two deities have become muddled over the centuries, both in literature and iconography. 

Notice that the excerpt featured in the article comes from a book of near-eastern mythology published in, you guessed it, 1917. I’m not sure if that’s a coincidence or not. 

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PP
7 years ago

The narrator is clearly unreliable, being as he is suffering from a case of severe PTSD and an opiate addiction – so claims about the size of the island, hallucinations about a fish-creature at his door or any deviation from sober rationality is to be expected and indeed consistent with the character, who was stranded out in the burning sun of the Pacific ocean with limited food and water. The whole experience described being cast into doubt is a pretty standard HPL trope, right? Where HPL messes up, as he is so often want to do, is where his own personality and opinion bleeds through into the characters thoughts; the literary allusions and condemnation of a “hopelessly conventional” academic are not the thoughts of a sea captain. Still, not as bad as say, Beyond The Wall Of Sleep which is just a virulent tirade of classism/racism through what is otherwise a really imaginative peice of short fiction.

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Tegan Giesel
6 years ago

What if it was a Shoggoth?

I mean- they’re supposed to be able to create pseudo organs and whatever. Why not all a life form’s organs at the same time? 

The scale might be different, but the shape would be correct.

Wasn’t one of the scary bits for poor Edward Pickman Derby when his personality emerged midway through one of Ephraim’s rituals and happened to see a Shoggoth changing shape?

Why would the change of shape be weird if Shoggoths are only ever these bubbling pudding locomotives? Wouldn’t it sort of make the moment for horror if the Shoggoth in question was changing into or out of a recognizable everyday shape?

Do we hardly ever see Shoggoths in the Mythos? Or do we see them frequently and not realize it? Like, ya know, lizard people or god or something?

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6 years ago

Scary fish man is bad