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Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent

We’ve reached the end of season 9 and, safe to say, it’s a season that will be remembered as one of the better in Doctor Who’s long history.

And what of its finale, “Hell Bent”?

 

Summary

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
The Doctor enters the same ’50s-style diner in Nevada where he met Amy, Rory, and River in season 6. Working at the diner is a woman who appears to be Clara, but isn’t. The Doctor proceeds to tell this woman a story about his friend Clara. The episode then moves to Gallifrey, where the Doctor has just escaped the Confession Dial. He goes back to the barn (part of an orphanage?) that we saw in “Listen” and waits with the people there. The Lord President sends a military attachment, but the Doctor won’t speak to them. Then it sends the Council, and the Doctor still isn’t interested. Ohila, of the Sisterhood of Karn, tells the President that the Doctor blames him for the War and will only speak to him. When the President arrives, he orders the military contingent to shoot the Doctor, but they all miss; they consider the Doctor a war hero, and they refuse to harm him. The Doctor insists that the President (who is revealed to be Rassilon) leave the planet. He is exiled.

The Doctor finds out that he was trapped in the Confession Dial because there was concern that he might be the prophcized “hybrid,” and at the very least, he knew about it. The Doctor claims that he has information on it, but he needs Clara for that. So, he has the Time Lords extract her from the very end of her time stream, a split second before she dies; her biological functions are trapped in a time loop, so she isn’t aging, and she has no pulse, either. The General insists on explaining this situation to Clara, but the Doctor won’t allow it. It’s then that the General realizes that the Doctor did not extract Clara for information. The Doctor steals his gun and a neuro block, and demands that the General step aside. When he won’t, the Doctor confirms that he can still regenerate before shooting him dead, and running off with Clara into Cloisters, where the Matrix is housed. (It’s where the minds of dead Time Lords live on; the Confession Dials are actually meant to help a Time Lord sort out their business before being uploaded there.) The General regenerates into a woman, her preferred form.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
The Doctor leads Clara around the Cloisters, trying to avoid the Wraiths—invaders of different species that tried to break in and were caught by the Matrix. He’s trying to find the exit, and tells Clara of a Time Lord who escaped the Cloisters ages ago, though it left him mad; Clara knows the Doctor is talking about himself when they get into Missy’s tale about the moon and the President’s wife (who was actually his daughter, according to the Doctor). It turns out that the Doctor heard about the Hybrid prophecy in the Cloisters from the wraiths there, and this is what led him to steal a TARDIS and run away. The General and Ohira try to convince Clara to get the Doctor to tell them what he knows of the Hyrbid, explaining to her that he was trapped in the Confession Dial for around four-and-a-half billion years. Clara asks the Doctor why, and he admits that he did it to break through to Gallifrey and save her. Clara distracts the General and Ohira long enough for the Doctor to escape and steal another TARDIS, whisking her away moments later.

The Doctor takes Clara far away, hoping that if they get far enough he will break the time loop on Clara, and she will be safe and allowed to live again. Clara’s pulse stubbornly refuses to return. The Doctor travels to the very end of the universe (in time, not space), and hears four knocks on the door. It’s always four knocks, he tells Clara (and it was for the Master, for Wilf, back when he was Ten). He goes outside to meet Me, the very last of all the immortals left, watching everything burn out. They have a discussion about the Hybrid, and the Doctor posits that she is it, half-human, half-Mire, two warrior races. Me posits that the Doctor is the Hybrid, half-Gallifreyan, half-human perhaps. Then she suggests that the Doctor and Clara together are the Hybrid, pushing each other to terrifying extremes. The Doctor admits that he plans to use the neuro blocker he stole to wipe Clara’s memories of him, so he can bring her back to Earth without fear that the Time Lords will find her. Clara overhears their conversation and tells the Doctor that she won’t allow it; she’s reversed the polarity on the neuro blocker so it will backfire on him. She insists that her memories are hers to keep, and that he has no right to take them from her.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
The Doctor isn’t sure he believes that Clara damaged the neuro blocker, but he tells her something must be done—he was willing to go too far to save her. Together, they agree to activate the neuro blocker, unsure of who will get their memories erased. It ends up wiping the Doctor’s memories of Clara. He wakes up in Nevada with no memory of her, and finds the diner. It turns out that the waitress he was telling the story to is truly Clara, but he cannot remember what she looks like, only the adventures they had together. The diner turns out to be the TARDIS the Doctor just stole from Gallifrey, and Clara and Me dematerialize the diner around the Doctor, leaving him with his own TARDIS (that still has Rigsy’s painted tribute to Clara on it). Clara intends to go back to Gallifrey and let the Time Lords restore her to her death, but seeing as she’s immortal and has a TARDIS, she and Me decide to get to Gallifrey the “long way around” and travel Time and Space together.

The Doctor enters his own TARDIS to find his old coat and the blackboard, which reads “Run you clever boy, and be a Doctor.” The TARDIS gifts him with a brand new sonic screwdriver, and the Doctor resumes his travels.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent

 

Commentary

That. Is how it’s done.

I’ve been screeching all weekend, I’m so happy.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
I mean, you can nitpick anything to death if you wanna, but this was easily one of the best season finales Doctor Who has ever produced. The Hybrid stuff was a little wonky and unresolved (my assumption is that it’s going to come back later), but this finale. Wow. This finale looked at the current legacy of the new show and tried to make something of it in every possible way.

So let’s start with the fact that I’m really happy that the Doctor didn’t go back to Gallifrey just to “bring it back.” This episode was a very clever way of using Gallifrey for the history it provides, giving little hints about the Doctor’s past, what he’s done and why, without needing to make it all about GALLIFREY in big capital letters. Exiling Rassilon is bound to bite someone in the butt later on down the road, but that can be a far-off thing, and doing it allowed the Doctor to finally place some of that rage he felt for everything that the Time War did to him. (Also, the fact the Rassilon’s not Timothy Dalton? Means that Simm Master totally iced him post-“The End of Time.” That is what I’m choosing to believe until I’m told otherwise. It makes sense that Missy is such a happy incarnation of the character if she got the chance to really take revenge on the guy who’s responsible for all her pain.)

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
At first I was so concerned about pulling Clara out of her time stream, avoiding her death like so many fake-outs Moffat has given us in the past. But this? This was a best possible scenario for Clara—for any companion. All this gloom and doom surrounding her death is ultimately a season-long fake-out. I mean, it isn’t, she will still die precisely when she dies, but it also is. And that would seem like a cheat were it not for what Clara’s life means now. We know that Moffat didn’t plan this as far back as two seasons (Jenna Coleman hadn’t been sure that she was going to come back for season 9 initially), but it reads like the plan all along: Last season, Clara learned to be her own Doctor. This season, the newborn confidence she gained with that ability, emboldened by loss (of Danny), made her reckless and led to her death.

But as Clara says—the Doctor is allowed to be reckless all the time, so why can’t she be? And the answer that the show ultimately gives us is… there’s no good reason why. If Clara wants to become the Doctor, then she should be. And she should have a TARDIS, and an immortal companion, and have millions of years’ worth of adventures.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent

(Personal aside: I feel the need to point out that the Master keeps creating Doctors. The Doctor and the Master themselves are a feedback circle that kind of create each other, but Missy HAND-SELECTED Clara to be the Doctor’s companion, thereby creating another Doctor. It matters to me. For reasons.)

Seriously. Clara Oswald and Ashildr as time traveling non-monogamous girlfriends who save the universe in their ’50s diner. (They frequently pretend to be servers there to get interesting information out of people.) The series is called Clara and Me. (Get it? GET IT.) It’s actually happening out there somewhere, just make it real in front of my eyeballs. Give me show.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
And still, it means more than that. Because fans were understandably upset at Donna’s departure, with the Tenth Doctor making a deeply important choice on her behalf and wiping her mind without her agreement. No one wanted Donna to die, but it still stung that she was never permitted the chance to make her own choice. And choice is precisely what Clara demands of the Doctor, with the acknowledgement that her experiences, her life, are her own. He is not permitted to save her just because it would make him happier. That acknowledgment forces the Doctor to come to terms with his own grief; Clara’s death was never the problem, his reaction to it was. He is the one making terrible decisions to save a friend who never asked to be rescued. Realizing that, it’s only fitting that he is the one who ends up shouldering the loss—and in this case, the loss is quite literal.

The Doctor loses Clara Oswald. He loses her face, her words, the space she took up in his life. And it’s sad for him, of course, but for Clara? She gets the greatest endgame a companion has ever managed, certainly among the new series counterparts. She gets to keep running, forever. And now that her best friend can no longer remember her, she has to change her tried-and-true farewell: “Run, you clever boy. And be a Doctor.”

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
Murray Gold has been killing it this season in regards to the soundtrack, but this episode really brings it home. The Doctor playing Clara’s theme on his guitar was tear-inducing on my end, and the resurgence of Gold’s first Doctor theme, the one that we originally associated with Nine, brings the show back to its roots while he’s on Gallifrey.

The loose threads on this episode genuinely seem like set up for future events, even if they’re a long way off. There’s so much we don’t know, and so many characters and ideas that could be used going forward. (I want more Ohila. She’s the greatest. She is the best for calling the Doctor on his crap.) The Matrix has always been an interesting part of Time Lord society and was a great aspect to has out, the Cloister Wraiths are creepy as hell, the references to the Doctor’s childhood that never really get fleshed out, the truth about what the Hybrid is really supposed to mean. It was exciting to see a far more diverse population on Gallifrey than we’ve ever seen before.

Doctor Who, season 9, Hell Bent
To that effect, the General’s regeneration (once you get past the HOLY SH*T THE DOCTOR JUST SHOT SOMEONE DEAD TO SAVE CLARA, WHOOOOAOAAAAA) is one of my very favorite things in the finale, both for how excellent the next incarnation is, and for what it suggests about switching genders for Time Lords. Her commentary in her new body is “Back to normal, am I?” and it gives us a whole fascinating potential spectrum for how Gallifreyan culture views gender, raising the idea that many Time Lords have a clear preference one way or the other, but that going back and forth between genders isn’t remotely a problem. (The soldier’s immediate switch from “sir” to “ma’am” where the General is concerned proves that while the change wasn’t expected, he wasn’t bothered by it.) From there we can ask so many questions, including whether or not there are Time Lords who frequently swap genders, but more importantly, it gives us a solid reason why the Doctor has never been a woman before—male is just a baseline. (And now I’m wondering if your “base gender” has to do with your assignation at birth for most Gallifreyans? So many questions….)

In addition, we have now witnessed a regeneration where a Time Lord goes from white person to a black person. (Romana showed that it was possible to also come out looking a different species, which raises far more odd questions. On the other hand, that sequence that isn’t well thought of since Douglas Adams depicts her potentially throwing regenerations away like discarded clothes until she finds one that she likes the look of.) It seems unlikely that skin color was part of what the General meant when she said “back to normal”—though she may normally have dark skin as well—since she immediately makes a qualifying comment wondering about how her peers were able to stand her former ego. Which suggests that skin color is not a fraught topic among Gallifreyans… and that would make sense, seeing as the lines of privilege seem to run more along who is a Time Lord and who is just a regular Gallifreyan.

Doctor Who Hell Bent season finale review
Aaahhhh, so many thoughts! So many questions! So much good fodder for bar talk with tipsy friends.

In the end, we get our hearts broken all over again, watching the Doctor stare at Clara Oswald and not see her. He’s left with a brand-new screwdriver and his proper Doctor coat, but he needs someone again. And that makes this finale quite special—it is simultaneously full of excitement and pain. We get to be glad for Clara and Me, and so sorry for the Doctor. But in the end, Clara wasn’t punished for what she wanted, and the Doctor learned something valuable indeed.

Doctor Who Hell Bent season finale review

(Pro tip: Go back and watch that first scene again, now that you know what’s happening. At first, you might have thought that it was a different iteration of Clara who didn’t know him, and it seems like Twelve is trying not to let on. And then you watch it again and realize that the Doctor knows something is special about this women, and simply can’t place it. It’s so much worse.)

And the trailer for the Christmas special looks likes so. much. fun. Fingers crossed. I want an episode with River Song I can get behind.

Emmet Asher-Perrin is gonna spend the rest of the week thinking about Clara and Me in their ridiculous diner TARDIS. You can bug her on Twitter and Tumblr, and read more of her work here and elsewhere.

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StrongDreams
9 years ago

I guess we all know what the next Big Finish series should be.  (With Missy as a special guest star in one of them.)

@drcox
@drcox
9 years ago

Yes–must be a spin-off series with Clara, Me, and Jenny, the Doctor’s Daughter.

Brontë Fangirl that I am, I was disappointed that they didn’t bring back Dalton to play Rassilon.

I caught a visual/verbal reference to Eight when someone rhetorically asked “Who is he?” and then there was a shot of the Doctor reflected in a few mirrors.

The Christmas episode should be fun :).

 

Random22
Random22
9 years ago

This is how you do it….badly, certainly.

Nice to see the old TARDIS interior, shame about the rest of the episode. This episode was all about the transethnic, transgender, regeneration scene for the character from the anniversary, and getting that firmly stuck in canon. That is all this episode was about, and nothing else. What a complete waste of time and money. I used to defend Moffat to the hilt, but the last season and a half has been about him rather than the characters and I am just ready for him to go.

 

I can honestly say that this finale was even worse than the one with Dobby the House Doctor in it. This actually achieves the impossible. Love&Monsters is no longer the worst episode of Doctor Who. Not just NuWho, but all Who. There was no actual story involved, it stunk the place up like a kipper that has been lodged behind a hot radiator for three weeks. It was pretty to look at, but utterly nonsensical and virtually dripped with smug.

celestineangel
9 years ago

I disagree that this was a great episode. It was a meh episode with a couple of great things. To me, this episode cheapens what dignity there was in Clara’s death.

It also has about a zillion plot holes it doesn’t bother to try to patch up (but then Moffat’s never been very concerned with attempts at explanations or continuity, probably figuring “time travel!” absolves him of all responsibility to either), and doesn’t even bother to try to have any sort of connection with the previous episode other than acknowledging that it happened.

That said, I would watch the heck out of a spinoff show featuring zombie!Clara and Ashildr/Me rocketing around the universe in their diner!TARDIS. Yes, let’s do that. Only give it to someone other than Moffat.

Also, yes, thank you, goodbye sonic sunglasses, welcome back sonic screwdriver! I’ve missed you.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

“It turns out that the Doctor heard about the Hybrid prophecy in the Cloisters from the wraiths there, and this is what led him to steal a TARDIS and run away.”

I missed that part. I don’t really see the cause and effect there. Also, how does it reconcile with his theft of the Hand of Omega, as established in “Revelation of the Daleks”?

I don’t think the Hybrid issue was unresolved or is due to return, because the nature of the Hybrid doesn’t really matter. It was a prophecy, and prophecies are notorious for only being as powerful as the reactions people have to them. The prophecy was actually quite benign — that the Hybrid would simply happen to be there at the end of Gallifrey and the universe — but the Time Lords interpreted it as the Hybrid causing the end of Gallifrey and therefore panicked. So the Hybrid isn’t actually what’s important. The only important part is how people misread and overreacted to the prophecy. We got the answer to the mystery, which was that the prophecy was misunderstood.

And the Doctor actually said that he didn’t keep the secret of the Hybrid’s identity because it needed to be kept from the Time Lords, but because it was a means to the end of reaching Gallifrey and resurrecting Clara and/or punishing the Time Lords for killing her. So the secret didn’t really matter at all.

 

“In addition, we have now witnessed a regeneration where a Time Lord goes from white person to a black person.”

We’ve already seen the reverse, when Mels regenerated into River Song in “Let’s Kill Hitler.” Although she wasn’t strictly a Time Lady. We’ve also seen a Time Lord change race in “Planet of the Spiders,” when the apparently Caucasian K’anpo regenerated into the apparently Tibetan Cho Je, although the latter was a white actor in yellowface.

(And I always figured that Romana was able to try out multiple bodies because her regeneration wasn’t stabilized yet and her body was still in flux, like the way Ten could grow his hand back. The Doctor’s never been able to choose his form consciously, but I figure Romana had some special training or just a greater natural self-control.)

 

Meanwhile, I just have to say…. HARTNELL TARDIS!!! AAAAHHHH!!!! It looks beautiful. An Adventure in Space and Time did a fairly good recreation of how the set would have looked in real life, but this is basically a more refined execution of how it’s supposed to look in-universe. It worked remarkably well for a 52-year-old on-the-cheap design.

Also, Lady Me gave a bit of a nod to the McGann movie and the claim that the Doctor is half-human… and the Doctor neither confirmed nor denied it.

Too bad they couldn’t get Dalton back as Rassilon. I was confused why the Doctor was after this random old guy until he said his name. I know that Time Lords regenerating between stories to explain actor changes is a tradition going back to Borusa, but it could’ve been handled better (and cast better).

ghostly1
9 years ago

Yeah, this was just awful, and highlights Moffatt’s worst tendencies… he has good ideas, but he overdoes them, everything he creates has to be the most super special things ever.  River has to be the Doctor’s wife and the only one to know his name, when just being an interesting person he meets all out of order would have been a cool idea.  Me, only immortal because she took an alien health pack from an insignificant race… somehow manages to last BILLIONS of years to see the ends of the universe, and is exactly the same person (compare to Captain Jack, who’s immortality was because a burst of raw time energy from the TARDIS itself, even he supposedly turned into a giant head in a jar after a few millenia)… when her just being a recurring antagonist/ally would have been great.  Clara gets three potentially great exits for her companion run, because apparently Moffat wasn’t satisfied with one… dying, the Doctor being forced to forget her, or running off with her own TARDIS and companion are great exits, but when you shove them all into one character it’s just an overbloated mess. 

And in order to do all this, Moffatt makes me hate the Doctor.  I don’t want a Doctor who is willing to risk the destruction of Time itself to return a companion to life, even if he’s forced to change his mind with a compelling speech.  I want a Doctor who already knows that’s a bad idea.  I don’t want a Doctor who will kill (even a regeneration, Tennant’s exit should have shown that a regeneration is enough like a death to make it a bad move) just to get his way.  I mean, it wasn’t even a life-or-death situation!   I don’t want a Doctor who thinks, a second time, that erasing somebody’s memories is a good idea.    I don’t mind flawed characters… hell, I wish the Doctor would be MORE flawed, but I want him to be pretty good morally and flawed in abilities, rather than flawed morally but so awesome that he can escape any impossible situation with a plan concocted on-the-fly.  

Not to mention incoherencies like the “how long has it been for you” speech (If he didn’t remember those lives, the question is irrelevant and wasting time on it was stupid, if he DID remember, it’s just bugnuts insane and should not have been done), or the painfully poorly written and awkwardly jammed in retcons about the Hybrid.

I am so sick of Moffatt now. 

Robotech_Master
9 years ago

That sonic screwdriver…uh…wow. It’s “sonic,” and it’s shaped like that? 

Seriously?

If River Song doesn’t keep asking to borrow it, Captain Jack Harkness surely will.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@6/ghostly1: Actually it seems the point of Me is that she’s a different person every time we meet her, because she keeps forgetting her past lives and only knows what she reads in her diaries. First she was just the Viking girl; then she was this ruthless, antisocial criminal; then she was a protector who was still somewhat ruthless and devious; but here she seemed more at peace with herself, more wise and thoughtful, and certainly a lot more interested in looking glamorous.

 

@7/Robotech_Master: Actually I was thinking that this is the first sonic screwdriver that actually looks kinda like a screwdriver.

Tessuna
9 years ago

I didn’t like this episode; for the same reasons others already commented on here, so I won’t repeat them.

But there was one bit I liked: when the firing squad refuses to shoot the Doctor, because he’s standing there, unarmed, and he is smiling. It reminded me of Terry Pratchett’s Thief of Time… :)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

I’m disappointed that Rigsy’s memorial artwork couldn’t have been preserved somehow.

Ursula
9 years ago

They hybrid was a prophecy.  And prophecy is often not about a specific truth, but rather a universal truth.  Consider “there will be war, and rumors of war.”  That doesn’t mean any given war or rumor of war suddenly means a specific event will happen.  It indicates that, just as wars and rumors of war always happen, the other events in the prophecy are symbolic of something eternal or ongoing.

So the Time Lords have prophecy about a hybrid creature, one that can destroy space and time.  What does that prophecy tell us about their culture?  A certain level of xenophobia, and fear of miscegenation – they don’t like to see Time Lords mixing with other species.  Also an existential fear of the potential destructiveness of their own technology.

Longtimefan
9 years ago

“Back to normal, am I.” does indicate that there is a base line preference but also that there is actually an issue.  
Using the term normal indicates that being in the non preferred gender may be less wanted.  maybe not unwanted but if the writr really wanted to indicate that it was not an issue then using something more indifferent would have suited.    

In Moffats overeagerness to be socially relevant he is missing the point.  

People who have a preference do not just flip back and forth and people who do not have a preference would not notice if they did because to themselves they would still be the same person without regard to gender.  

Aslo, would it have been as well received if a woman had changed into a man and said the same thing?  

otb4evr
9 years ago

I really enjoyed the other nod to Douglas Adams…  The story was at the end of the universe. Clara and Me were in a traveling Restaurant…  :-)

ellsworthj
9 years ago

Me’s immortality is actually a problem. If the Mire had that kind of immortality, why did they run from a dragon? Why didn’t the Time Lords or Daleks or Time Agents or Slitheen or somebody go take it from them a long time ago? Why weren’t there more of them around, Me and a bunch of Mire at the end of the universe. (Plus Slitheen, I suppose.)

Jack’s immortality was a one-time event, unlikely to ever be duplicated. Me’s immortality was a technology she could have handed to someone else. That is a bigger universe breaker, to me.

(And where is Captain Jack? Did Amy not remember him after the Big Bang or something? I mean, he might have turned into a giant head in a jar, but he couldn’t be killed even when a bomb dropped on him. Me apparently had to avoid accidents.)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@11/Ursula: But that’s just it — the prophecy does not say that the Hybrid can destroy space and time. It simply says that the Hybrid will stand over the ruins of space and time. The Time Lords thought that meant it would cause their destruction, but they were wrong. The Hybrid — whether it was Me, the Doctor, or the Doctor/Clara gestalt — just happened to be there at the natural end. They mistook the witness for the murderer.

 

@12/Longtimefan: “Using the term normal indicates that being in the non preferred gender may be less wanted.”

Err, isn’t that kind of tautological, seeing as how “prefer” and “want” are synonyms? Anyway, the General’s statement is only informative about the General’s individual opinion on the issue. She probably just meant “normal” because she’d spent most of her life in female form and thus that felt more natural to her. I don’t take it as saying “I’m back to what society as a whole defines as normative,” just “I feel more like my usual self again.”

“Aslo, would it have been as well received if a woman had changed into a man and said the same thing?”

Probably not, but that’s exactly the point. The General was an old white guy, exactly what we expect of a military leader, and then the General turns into a black woman and considers it more normal rather than less. And that subverts and challenges our stereotypical expectations.

 

@14/ellsworthj: Perhaps the Mire tech interfaced with human cells in an unusual way, or the Doctor’s jiggery-pokery altered it in some way.

And the Face of Boe did die. If that was Jack, then we know his life did end. And we know Jack does exist in the current iteration of the universe, since the Doctor mentioned him to Lady Me.

JanKafka
9 years ago

Love this recap. I had two thoughts about the episode:

First, when Clara died in Face the Raven, on first viewing I felt angry not sad.  I couldn’t understand why the Doctor, who’s been saving people this season, hadn’t somehow saved Clara at the last second. And this week I could see that was just what the writer was going for. Exactly last second and he went through hell to do it.

Second, when the Doctor found himself in the American desert, I really hoped they would bring back Canton Delaware Everett III. I realize it would have been distracting but I was a little disappointed there was no cameo. (It probably wasn’t even shot in America, and getting an American actor over was probably beyond their budget so…)

The old style TARDIS control room set was beautiful. (You can see they reused it for the scene on Gallifrey…) And has the far wall of the control room ever been seen before? Someone more familiar with the classics than I must know.

Overall, I enjoyed this season, a lot more than last, and was often fascinated when I wasn’t having fun. I was glad they gave Clara an out – and maybe the greatest out of all. She was a remarkable companion all in all. And I’m glad there was a happy ending of sorts (beginning?) for Me too. I hope she’s had some sort of memory upgrade. I wouldn’t mind that series myself. And yes, have Jenny and Captain Jack join them.

Walter R. Moore
Walter R. Moore
9 years ago

“HOLY SH*T THE DOCTOR JUST SHOT SOMEONE DEAD TO SAVE CLARA, WHOOOOAOAAAAA”

That’s not something you should “get past.” It is, in fact, a trashy and frivolous betrayal of everything the character and the series are supposed to stand for. Lots of people seem to thing that’s just peachy, and I just can’t accept that or find anything to respect in their opinion of the show.

Glad you liked it, but I’m going to have to look down on you a bit for doing so. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@16/JanKafka: I think that, technically, we did see all four walls of the console room, because at first the door was to the left of the console, but later in the first season (starting in “The Sensorites,” I think) they rearranged the set so that the door was to the right of the console. I doubt the layout was entirely consistent from story to story, but I guess we can assume we did see the whole thing.

 

@17/Walter R. Moore: It’s not quite right to say the Doctor shot someone dead. He shot a Time Lord that he knew would regenerate, because he specifically asked to make sure the General would survive. If the General had answered that he was on his last life and had no more regenerations, the Doctor would not have shot him. At worst, he shortened the General’s life expectancy — but then, the High Council seems to have licked the problem of handing out new regeneration cycles to people they like, so maybe even that wouldn’t have been an issue.

Walter R. Moore
Walter R. Moore
9 years ago

@18 ChristopherLBennett:

Oh sure, it was “just” one regeneration of a time lord. Looks like murder to me, since each regeneration has its own personality, and there’s a finite supply of regenerations..

But I’ll be amenable and cede the point: let’s just call it torture or maiming. That makes it.. OK to you? Not save the universe or a planet, but to keep Clara in a half-life for longer?

None of this makes any sense, least of all from the Doctor.

Walter R. Moore
Walter R. Moore
9 years ago

The only thing that could have saved that scene is, after he fired, Clara yelled “Wait, no holy crap, this is wrong! What the hell, bro?! I am NOT leaving this room!”

maxfieldgardner
9 years ago

once you get past the HOLY SH*T THE DOCTOR JUST SHOT SOMEONE DEAD TO SAVE CLARA, WHOOOOAOAAAAA

 

I wasn’t okay with this. I liked some things in this episode, but of all the things I didn’t like, this may have been the worst. First, it comes about five minutes after a platoon of soldiers lay down their weapons because they can’t shoot an unarmed, smiling Doctor – just seems contradictory to have him armed a few minutes later. Second, whether the General can regenerate or not, the Doctor has never taken it casually before – remember Ten’s speech about how every time he regenerates, he feels that it is a sort of permanent death, that a new man walks away while the person he was is, in some sense, dead. Here, it’s just a joke about “man-flu.” The whole incident struck me as callously out of character.

AlanBrown
9 years ago

I’m afraid I must disagree with Emily right from the start.  I will remember this season as one of my least favorite of the New Who seasons.  It was dark and gloomy, with the Doctor acting erratically.  Capaldi gave a few great speeches here and there.  But mostly, for me, the season did not work.  Right from the very first entrance on top of a tank, which was grand but essentially meaningless, I wasn’t connecting with the show.  Only the Zygon episodes felt the least bit like the Doctor I am familiar with.  And the sandman episode was at least a change of pace.  The humor that makes Who so much fun was almost totally lacking all season long.

This episode, while it had a clever ending, was a muddled mess in getting there.  The whole thing about the “Hybrid” and the prophesy made little sense all along, and was never really resolved.  I did not at all like seeing the Doctor shoot someone, even someone who could regenerate.  The situation with the Doctor beating his way through a diamond wall over billions of years, only to arrive in a Gallifrey that only recently experienced the Time Wars, made no sense at all.  The episode was hard for me to follow, and my wife, who doesn’t watch Who as closely as I do, was completely and utterly lost.  All she understood was that Clara, a character she didn’t care for, and that she was eager to have replaced, was now effectively immortal.

I myself am hoping that there will be changes in the show behind the scenes before the next season.  Just as the Doctor and his companions change, I would like to see a change in writing, in tone, and in the general approach of the show. 

That being said, at least the episode ended well, and the trailer for the Christmas special looks like fun.  Any landing you can walk away from is a good one…

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@19/Walter R. Moore: No, it doesn’t make it “okay.” It wasn’t supposed to be “okay.” The whole point was that the Doctor was going too far, that he’d become so obsessed with saving Clara that he lost himself in the process. He even said outright that he couldn’t be the Doctor all the time — he’d basically reverted to his War Doctor mode and was essentially waging war to save Clara from the Time Lords. And once she realized that, she wanted nothing to do with it. Yes, it was out of character, and that was the point. His refusal to let go of Clara led him to choose to be out of character, to stop being the Doctor on her behalf. And she didn’t want that. That was what Missy wanted — to give the Doctor a companion who’d resonate with him so perfectly that losing her would push him over the edge into chaos. So Clara recognized that she had to break their bond if he was to become the Doctor again. That’s why her final words to him on the blackboard were “Run, you clever boy, and be a Doctor.”

This has been a theme throughout the Moffat era. “The Doctor” isn’t his name, it’s a role he adopted, a promise he made to himself and to the universe. Being the Doctor is a choice. And that means he can choose not to be the Doctor. But when he does, it’s the wrong choice.

 

@22/AlanBrown: “The situation with the Doctor beating his way through a diamond wall over billions of years, only to arrive in a Gallifrey that only recently experienced the Time Wars, made no sense at all.”

Well, it is Gallifrey. It’s a planet that’s always kind of existed outside of time; in the original series, all the Doctor’s visits to Gallifrey took place in chronological order from his point of view no matter how he jumped around in time. That is, he never visited the Time Lords before any of his previous visits. He, the Master, and the Time Lords always seemed to be in sync with each other no matter how much they jumped around history.

And the Doctor did say that the Time Lords deliberately hid Gallifrey at the end of the universe. That means they moved it there, probably as their way of escaping from the dimensional pocket they were trapped in. So the elapsed time from their own point of view was a lot less than four and a half billion years. (By the way, that should be nowhere near the end of the universe, so maybe he didn’t entirely go the long way round.)

Transceiver
9 years ago

@ChristopherLBennet – It was my assumption that all of this “you’re a good Dalek,” nonsense we’ve been seeing since Capaldi’s first episode was in reference to his being the hybrid, in a figurative sense. On that line of thinking, I arrived at the conclusion that he had run from Gallifrey because he was afraid of his own potential to destroy it. I consider that confirmed as it was listed as one of the theories and quickly dismissed by The Doctor. He is the hybird.

As I predicted over a year ago, Missy continued to be at the helm of a plan to turn The Doctor to darkness, and to use Clara as a condemnation of his character, which would trigger his fall from grace as he returned to Gallifrey. I had hoped this episode would signify the end of the “dark doctor” story line, but with Clara’s efforts to curb his behavior (so silly – he’s over a thousand years old, and wouldn’t need any tending) having been erased, I’d say he’s well on his way toward chaos. Impossible to predict any more than that this time around, as they didn’t leave many threads.

ghostly1
9 years ago

@23: “to give the Doctor a companion who’d resonate with him so perfectly that losing her would push him over the edge into chaos.”

Yeah, I’m not really seeing that there was anything particularly special about the Clara/Doctor relationship, other than that they kept SAYING it was super special.  But that doesn’t cut it for me, particularly as an excuse for the Doctor to go over the edge and betray everything he’s ever stood for in the past. 

Evan Payne
Evan Payne
9 years ago

Great episode, very good season too.

By the way, Me’s name was Isolde, as in Tristan & Isolde.

And speaking of, did she ever use the other patch the Doctor gave her?  Methinks there’s more story here.

celestineangel
9 years ago

@26: No, her name was Ashildr.

And yes, she did. Very clearly, in “The Woman Who Lived,” as part of the plot. It was unclear at that time whether or not the patch would actually make him immortal, due to the circumstances under which it was used.

Saria
Saria
9 years ago

Well, a great season except this finale and Gatiss epidose.

One thing I didn’t understand. Gallyfrey wasn’t suppose to be unreachable? How is possible that the Doctor can be summoned by teleporting his disc and leave the planet using a Tardis? I thought that his location was a mistery after the Time War, that Dalton’s Russels needed a complicated plot to come back and Matt Smith’s Doctor need cracks in space in order to receive new regenerations. But, if with a Tardis they can go where they want… Why didn’t they do that in the first place?

   

Tessuna
9 years ago

@28 Saria: My theory is: when Gallifrey was “frozen in time,” the only Time Lord who stayed outside was the Doctor, so he was also the only one able to “unfroze” it. He apparently will at some point – he still has to find it – but events of Hell Bent took place after Gallifrey was saved. It’s a bit timey-wimey.

Athreeren
Athreeren
9 years ago

@14: Exactly. Having Me live for a few hundred years is an interesting idea, as long as there is a reason such a technology can’t be used for other people, as it is a universe breaker: it’s not as if it’s difficult to die after that, so even if the Doctor believes that immortality is not a good thing, there is no reason not to get a few Mire chips and give one to any future dying companion. But whatever this means for the future of the show (we have been shown so many ways to achieve great longevity, what’s one more?), the fact that this simple chip can be used to live for billions of years makes no sense when even Jack Harkness, a fixed point, ended up dying. I was hoping Me would say that she had found other way to survive, but no, it’s apparently only the Mire chip, which makes no sense.

 

@22: What I understood is that the Time Lords found a way to get back into the universe on their own (and it’s interesting that such a major event can happen with no intervention from the Doctor), and chose to do it close to the end of the universe, in order to avoid the return of the Time War as would have been the case in The Time of the Doctor: at the end of the universe, they can remain in peace, and use their TARDIS to go back in time and observe in hiding. But the Doctor could see the real stars from the confession dial, so he was still inside the universe, with time passing normally. So is it a coincidence if he got out only a shortly after the point in time when the Time Lords decided to come back? Where and when would the Doctor have exited the confession dial if he had just confessed the first time?

Walter R. Moore
Walter R. Moore
9 years ago

@23 ChristopherLBennet Frst of all, yes, he certainly was going too far. We are shown him doing something unforgivable, for which the Gallifreyans should have arrested and imprisoned him forthwith. What we are not shown, despite your repeat of the synopsis of the episode, is why.

The Doctor travels with mortals; they die. People he tries to save die all the time. And now this millenia old person, who has seen this all so many times supposedly willing to murder people and heedlessly risk temporal disaster.. why exactly? Nothing on screen shows us this supposed super duper link to Clara that robs him of reason.

 

noblehunter
9 years ago

I assume Me took a short cut at some point to end up at the end of all things. It was a nice conceit but it made no sense she could take the long way the whole way.

@31 He’s been willing to do it for someone he’s known for a few hours. That things worked out in Waters of Mars isn’t because of the Doctor.

MaGnUs
9 years ago

I didn’t like this episode at all. I didn’t hate it either. It was just… meh.

I loved that the soldiers laid down their arms to join the Doctor… but then the Doctor just takes a gun and shoots the General? I know he/she regenerated, but seeing the Doctor just shoot someone wasn’t cool. But I guess that was the point…

And please, no Clara/Me spin-off, at least not before we get a Paternoster Gang spin-off.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@24/Transceiver: “I had hoped this episode would signify the end of the “dark doctor” story line, but with Clara’s efforts to curb his behavior (so silly – he’s over a thousand years old, and wouldn’t need any tending) having been erased, I’d say he’s well on his way toward chaos.”

No, that’s backward. The point — and this was clearly spelled out in dialogue — was that Clara was exacerbating his behavior, because they were too much alike and making each other more reckless. That’s why Missy paired them together — because she knew that Clara’s companionship would drive the Doctor toward chaos. Remember what Donna said in “The Runaway Bride”: That the Doctor needs someone to stop him. Someone to counterbalance him and hold him back. Clara wasn’t that. She was an enabler to him as he was to her. Basically she’s like Sherlock‘s version of Watson, an adrenaline junkie who claims to object to her friend’s excesses but doesn’t really do anything to stop them, so that they both tend even more toward extremes. What the Doctor needs is someone more like Elementary‘s Joan Watson, a tempering force who can help him curb his excesses and retain his equilibrium.

What happened here was that Clara realized that she and the Doctor were bad together and they needed to go their separate ways if the Doctor was to regain his equilibrium. So that’s what she did.

 

@25/ghostly1: It’s not about “special.” It’s about the Doctor and Clara being too much alike. That’s been a recurring theme in both Capaldi seasons. Clara’s arc in the previous season was all about her evolution into a Doctor-like figure. We saw her adopting the role of the Doctor in “Flatline,” and we saw her actually claiming to be the Doctor in “Death in Heaven.” We’ve seen more than once that she’s able to prance into UNIT and give orders as though she were the Doctor. In “Face the Raven” we saw her pay the price of seeing herself as the Doctor’s equal and equivalent. And here we saw her essentially become a new Doctor — an immortal with an atypical number of heartbeats, traveling the universe in a stolen Type 40 TARDIS stuck in a retro 20th-century design, with a young female companion by her side.

So, yes, we have been shown what makes the Doctor/Clara relationship distinctive, what makes them too much alike. It’s been Clara’s main character thread for at least a season and a half now.

 

@28/Saria: It was implied that the Time Lords had found their own way out of the dimensional pocket. The Doctor said they’d hidden themselves at the end of the universe, and when Clara asked how they’d escaped the pocket, he said that he hadn’t bothered to ask because he didn’t want to make them feel clever.

GiGinge
GiGinge
9 years ago

Personally, I really enjoyed the episode and the series as a whole, but then I’m not old enough to remember much of the classic series, only the reboot since Ecclestone (I’m 29), so don’t have a real comparison to the Doctor’s morals in the classic series’. I agree with the thoughts of Emily and also ChristopherLBennett (I really enjoy your comments on the Star Trek rewatch by the way! Although I sometimes disagree). I thought it was a great way to finish the Clara-Doctor story, with the links to Missy hand picking Clara in the knowledge (or expectation) that losing her will send him back to the War Doctor who will then bring about the demise of the Time Lords. It sounds like whether people liked the ending or not depends on whether they liked Clara or not, I think Clara was a great companion and the first to really spread her own wings as a potential ‘successor’, which is why I liked the idea of the impossible girl continuing her impossible life even in the split second before death. I think this like or otherwise of her character (as some commentators have said, they just don’t see the bond between the two of them) colours opinion about the lengths the Doctor will go to, including yes the ‘not’ killing of the General (jarring as that undoubtedly was). Let’s remember that the Doctor now may be this incredible being determined to help and never harm, but he wasn’t always this way, and I thought Capaldi did a great job of showing that, as ludicrous as the whole concept of ‘stealing’ her from the Time Lords was. 

I read a lot of commenter’s rave about how much they loved Donna as a companion, but honestly I found her particularly annoying and I was glad when they got rid of her. Like everything, it’s personal opinion I guess (also, I just don’t find Katherine Tate funny and her voice and character get on my nerves as Donna!).

MGM
MGM
9 years ago

@31 The thing is, the grief of Clara’s death is still very, very fresh in his mind(since he spent only a few weeks in his last iteration of the confession dial before getting out.)

So, here’s this very old man, attached to a girl he loves, and he is grateful for, forced to live through her death for 4.5 billion years.
That, coupled with all of his past failures, makes a man desperate. And going to Galifrey to save Clara has always been his plan, ever since he first saw the word ‘Home’ on the harder-than-diamond wall. He acts out of character, because finally, he is at a place where he can actually fracture time, and get away with it… or so he thought. 

 

 

No other doctor has been through the sheer torture that he has. His will to save Clara is the only thing that made him stay alive in the confession dial.

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@36/MGM: I was going to point out that each iteration of the Doctor in the confession dial had no memory of his previous iterations, so for him, he only went through it once. But then I realized… each successive copy could see how far into the future he’d come, how many skulls had accumulated, how far he’d penetrated the wall. He would’ve figured out what was happening by the end. So this last Doctor, the one who got out, would know that he’d been reliving this ordeal for billions of years, even if he didn’t remember it. And that’s got to have some impact.

Transceiver
9 years ago

@34 ChristopherLBennet – I didn’t get it backwards –  they got their narrative wires crossed. Clara was his conscience, his keeper, and his savior (remember the flash cards, her splitting herself into millions of copies and saving him all throughout time, her life changing advice to him as a child, her constant guidance? The Doctor saying “You’re right (Clara)! Of course – you’re always right.”). He was kept in check by her presence, but she was slowly corrupted by his influence, and her own growing arrogance got her killed. The Doctor cared so much for her that he was willing to injure the universe to save her – that’s the chaos Missy is trying to induce – The Doctor’s condemnation of his own influence/personality (as mirrored in Clara (and Me, to a lesser degree)), triggered by an event (Clara’s death) that causes him to get personally involved in matters in which he should remain unaffected by emotion. She’s trying to instill in him an inclination towards decision making informed more by passion than logical thought. He’s spiraling. He killed a man in cold blood. The idea of The Doctor and Clara being a communal hybrid is a red herring, and the memory wipe was meant to hide Clara from the Time lords (psychic scan of her brain would show The Doctor), not to divide the “hybrid” (he was already planning to wipe her memory to keep her safe before he met with Me at the end of the universe) – the real hybrid story was stated in this episode – he ran from Gallifrey so as not to destroy it (just as he intended to run from Clara so as not to destroy her). He is becoming convinced of his “corruptive nature” (which IS completely backwards). He is “a good Dalek” (which is stupid, but that’s where they’re going).

But don’t take my word for it, you never do. 

Edit: *conscience, not conscious

ghostly1
9 years ago

@34: I disagree that there’s anything particularly distinctive about the Doctor/Clara’s relationship, other than that they keep SAYING it’s super special.  Companions are ALWAYS reckless (you’d have to be, to jump in after a mad man in a box… Clara was actually less so, in many ways, because she didn’t decide to travel with him full time and leave her life behind).  Companions typically, after travelling with the Doctor for a while, pick up some of his traits… including being confident enough to run a UNIT team.  Rose was an ordinary shop girl, by the last time we saw her, she was in charge of creating a dimensional cannon that crossed universes by the end (in fact, SHE was the one willing to risk destroying the universe to be with him).  Martha went from an ordinary doctor to resistance member and high up in UNIT and stood up to the Daleks threatening Earth.  Donna literally took some of his DNA and became part time lord, that was why he thought he had to wipe her mind.  Sure, none of them, IIRC, have pretended to be him, but, what, play-acting as him a couple times makes them close enough that he’ll go off the rails?  No.  I’m sorry, they TOLD me that Clara was this super special companion that the Doctor was willing to risk all of time for… but they didn’t SHOW it.   They showed her being a fairly entertaining but typical example of a companion, with a few special quirks like showing up in his timeline over and over again (which has been pretty much forgotten since it was a plot point, and didn’t even rate a mention, despite that one version of her lived on Gallifrey when he first left… maybe because the notion that he’d already seen her die a couple times, and versions of her are scattered throughout the past and future, already would make it even less believable that he might destroy the universe to undo it one more time).

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@38/Transceiver: It doesn’t matter what the memory wipe was intended to do, because the Doctor intended it to erase Clara’s memories of him, but she “reversed the polarity” (itself a trademark Doctor move) and erased his memories of her. So the effect is different from the intent. You may not feel Moffat sold it well, but it seems evident to me that his intent was that this was the end of the arc of the Doctor spiraling toward chaos, not an escalation of it.

After all, most modern companions need to be given a reason why they can’t stay with the Doctor, rather than just choosing to move on with their lives. Except for Martha, it’s always come down to the Doctor and the companions either being separated forever by forces beyond their control or being compelled to part from one another to prevent a destructive outcome. I’ve seen a number of commentators call this the mirror image of Donna’s deparature. There, the Doctor forced a memory wipe on Donna without her consent to prevent her destruction. Here, he tried to do the same to Clara, but she inverted it, taking control of her own narrative and wiping the Doctor’s memory to save him. The message was that they had to separate forever to keep the Doctor from succumbing to chaos. And that’s been done. That’s the ending of the peril. That’s the intention, even if you don’t think it worked. So I don’t believe that Moffat has any plan to escalate the Doctor’s slide toward chaos. This was supposed to be the end of that, convincingly or not.

Of course, “The Wedding of River Song” was supposed to be the ending of the thread of the Doctor becoming too big and universally known and important, and he was supposed to become more obscure and forgotten in the following season, but it didn’t take long before Moffat reversed that and fell back into old habits. So assuming he continues on, he’ll probably find other ways to push the Doctor to the edge. I just don’t think he intends it to be a continuation of this bit.

Transceiver
9 years ago

@ChristopherLBennet – But, importantly, Clara was to be written out first at the end of last season, then at the end of the  last Christmas special, and was finally written out just now. Coleman’s choice to remain was, in both cases, made last minute, meaning that there were no significant changes made to the existing plans for the continuation of the series, aside from the fact that they would continue to include her as the companion. Gallifrey was always on the horizon, and the Doctor’s passionate drive toward darkness brought on by a personal loss was right there with it, as was the hybrid thread (“Why did you run,” “He was once my best friend (said by Missy)” and “you’re a good Dalek” have all been major threads through Capalidi’s run, and those threads are still leading to the same terminal. Now, we have Me verbally reconfirming that Missy is seeking to drive him to darkness). Tellingly, we saw no new developments in Clara’s character this season – she was, as always, his savior, who was meant to trigger his downfall through serving as a condemnation of his personality – she essentially reprised her role and narrative purpose from series 8 in series 9. Her story arc was largely secondary to the larger machinations of Missy’s plot to darken The Doctor, which would have continued without Coleman/Clara, and I predict, will continue, as it is the major and unresolved thread of Capaldi’s run. Clara was always a stepping stone to bringing out The Doctor’s dark side. Next step. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@41/Transceiver: Actually, what I read was that Moffat said this was his original plan for the end of Clara’s story. When Coleman decided to leave, he reworked his plans and came up with a different departure for her, but then she decided to stay and it put his original plan back on track. At least, that’s what he’s asserted.

And of course it would’ve gone differently if Clara had left, but that’s beside the point. Writers change their plans to adapt to new circumstances all the time. Since Clara did stay on, this is the story we got, and this is how he decided to end it. It’s right there in the dialogue. Clara leaves because he’ll fall to chaos if she doesn’t leave. It’s not unresolved. This episode was specifically about resolving it.

Transceiver
9 years ago

@ChristopherLBennet

Alright – I’ll see you here next year then. In the meantime, I’d like to put money on this. Can we get a wagering widget on here guys? 

Athreeren
Athreeren
9 years ago

@34: “with a young female companion by her side.”

Admit it, you did that on purpose.

 

@37: It’s not obvious on a first watch, but it’s a mistake that I’ve seen in almost all reviews of Heaven Sent. This is what the Doctor says in his mind TARDIS in the azbantium chamber: “That’s when I remember! Always then. Always… then. Always EXACTLY then! I can’t keep doing this, Clara! I can’t! Why is it always me? Why is it never anybody else’s turn?! Can’t I just lose? Just this once?! Easy. It would be easy. It would be SO easy. Just tell them. Just tell them, whoever wants to know, all about the Hybrid. I can’t keep doing this. I can’t… I can’t always do this! It’s not fair! Clara, it’s just not fair! Why can’t I just lose?! But I can remember, Clara. You don’t understand, I can remember it all. Every time. And you’ll still be gone. Whatever I do… you still won’t be there.”

Every time he remembers, every time he’s on the verge of giving up (we can assume that despite the memories coming back, the end always plays the same), and every time his idea of Clara pushes him to go on to save her, which shocks the real Clara when she finds out about his plan. So it seems they’re not exactly the same yet, as he still manages to outcrazy her!

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@44/Athreeren: “Admit it, you did that on purpose.”

Did what? Used the word “companion?” Yes, my whole point was to illustrate the symmetry between Clara and Me here and the Doctor and Susan back at the beginning (and more broadly the Doctor/companion relationship in general).

Athreeren
Athreeren
9 years ago

No, I meant calling Me, a woman several billion years old, young.

Otherwise I think the point of this duo is that they both have aspects of the Doctor in them, so neither of them is the Doctor or the companion, not even in the sense Romana was a companion. That’s why I would be curious to hear about some of their adventures to find out how they interact. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@46/Athreeren: But she’s played by an 18-year-old actress.

intothebreach
9 years ago

@@@@@ Walter R. Moore (#17)

May I present for your consideration “The Doctor is Gonna Bust Everything in Yo Ass” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNuHV-iLBRw) an 8 minute compilation of the doctor handling guns, shooting lasers, and punching people out. In fact, a little before the one minute mark, you can see him do the exact same thing he did in this episode, shoot another time lord. Betrayal of everything the show stands for, I think not. Maybe post 2005, but not overall.

 

In my opinion, the ending sucked. Why would Clara be okay with watching the Doctor be heartbroken like that? Why would she get in the tardis and fly away after giving the Doctor several speeches about being okay with her death, making her own choice? It really just makes her real death two episodes before feel wasteful and boring.

tkThompson
9 years ago

Asher-Perrin: “Clara and Me” — You read my mind (though probably not just mine). Maybe when Game of Thrones is done :-)

GiGinge
GiGinge
9 years ago

@48 that video is perfect! Thanks for sharing it’s hilarious to see the Doctor be a bad ass,and does rather pierce some preconceptions about the Doctor and his pacifism (or lack thereof)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@48/intothebreach: “In fact, a little before the one minute mark, you can see him do the exact same thing he did in this episode, shoot another time lord.”

Well, yes and no. Actually he was trying to save that particular Time Lord from being assassinated, and he was trying to shoot at the assassin. But the rifle was sabotaged so that he would miss the real assassin and be framed for committing the murder. So, yes, he was trying to shoot a Time Lord, but not that Time Lord, and it was an act of defense rather than aggression.

 

@50:GiGinge: I’ve been rewatching Hartnell’s run lately, and it’s surprising to discover what a fighter the First Doctor became in the second season. In “The Rescue,” he has a whole big one-on-one fight with the villain of the story and holds his own pretty well. In the very next story, “The Romans,” he has a whole fight scene against an assassin, and in “The Space Museum” he overpowers a captor and turns the tables on him, though it happens off-camera. We think of the Third Doctor as being the first one to be a martial artist, and I often wondered when he learned these combat skills he suddenly started showing off, but now I realize that the First Doctor was quite the skilled hand-to-hand fighter despite his age.

And the Doctor was rarely portrayed as that much of a pacifist in the original series. He generally preferred to solve problems nonviolently if he could, but he rarely managed to do so, and the villains almost always ended up being killed, often through the Doctor’s own machinations. He was rarely reluctant to persuade others to fight for him, either. Way back in “The Daleks,” the Doctor convinced the pacifistic Thals to go to war against the Daleks, mainly because he needed their help to retrieve a vital component of the TARDIS. He seemed to have little patience for pacifism at the time. I think that aspect of the Doctor’s character emerged more in the Third Doctor’s era, perhaps influenced by the tenor of the times or by producer Barry Letts’s Buddhism. Even so, the villains were still usually defeated by force.

Philippa Chapman
Philippa Chapman
9 years ago

The diner at the end of the universe was the set  we recognise from when The Doctor, Rory and Amy visited it.

Was it also the TARDIS of Me/Clara at that point AS WELL?

 

I loved this episode and most of this season. Peter Capaldi is freaking awesome.

 

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@52/Philippa Chapman: Oh, whoa. Maybe it was. Although the Doctor said here that he remembered the diner being on the other side of the hill or ridge, so I assumed it was a copy of the original diner nearby. Still, Who knows…?

John Smith
John Smith
9 years ago

I like how everyone is referencing back to Ten’s run, saying that he thought it was death, because someone else goes sauntering away, but we’ve got to think – it isn’t out of character for the Doctor to shoot someone on the spot. Because – for one – he’s a new regeneration, with a new personality. But two – the Doctor is the most unpredictable man known to the universe. He’s the sole survivor of his race, with the constant pang of guilt a bitter taste on his lips, adopting personality after personality to hide his rage and sorrow. Who knows what he could do next?

Overall, I think people are just holding grudges for Moffatt because they don’t like being wrong about him. He does have his bad times, but I think this episode is gonna give way to a completely new Xmas Special and Series Ten.

John Smith
John Smith
9 years ago

@53/ChristopherLBennet

It couldn’t have been – the Doctor recalled it being someplace else is because it was. If you’ll notice, in the opening scene it says that he is in Nevada, whereas the 11th Doctor episode took place in Utah.

Tessuna
9 years ago

@53 and @55: It was a Tardis, it could have been on any place at any time. If it can travel to the end of the universe, hopping from Nevada to Utah and few years back shouldn’t be such problem. Actually I think that when the Doctor mentioned to Clara he remembers being at that very diner with Amy and Rory, she somehow found the right place and time and travelled there and then… :)

Al
Al
9 years ago

I loved how Clara’s death was handled in Raven. Even the greatest heroes can make mistakes and (life lesson alert) some mistakes are forever. So I was worried this would be undone. Far from it the sadness and impact is magnified because we know that something will eventually lead Clara to decide the end had come, after untold adventures. Very sad… But beautiful too. Also beautiful is the canonizing of Murray Gold’s Impossible Girl Theme, which now and retroactively represents the private message Clara gave the Doctor. I love this because it satisfies shippers and non-shippers alike. A fantastic finale and the three episodes together form the best story arc in 52 years.

GiGine
GiGine
9 years ago

@51 thanks for the info Christopher, since I don’t know much of the classic series and you seem knowledgeable, which Doctor do you think would be a good place to start, or would you recommend starting from the First Doctor? What I’m trying to say, is when does the series start really picking up pace and start to become the Doctor as we know now, ie canonically where would be good to pick up re: the Time Lords and those events. Or even, just which of the original series’ Doctors’ is your favourite? (I understand that’s probably a hard choice!)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@58/GiGine: That’s a tough question to answer for a couple of reasons. One is that quite a few First and Second Doctor stories were erased by the BBC, along with a bunch of other videotaped shows that they thought nobody would ever be interested in again and could be taped over. (Videotape was expensive.) A number have been recovered from film versions shipped overseas, and there’s always hope of finding more, but a large percentage of the first two Doctors’ stories don’t exist except in audio form (because fans tape-recorded the episode sound off their TV speakers), or in fan-made reconstructions combining the soundtracks with still photos taken during the production of the episodes, or sometimes with alternative image sources where photos aren’t available. Those are available online, and in my current rewatch I’m including them in sequence and finally seeing them for the first time.

The other tricky consideration is that the show has been so many different things over the years, changing in character and approach. Hardly any of the classic series is all that similar in style to the modern series, except maybe the last 2-3 seasons. And the Doctor we know now is different in a lot of ways from earlier Doctors, since the modern series delves more into exploring his deeper psychology.

Personally, I think it’s all worth watching, to see the evolution of the series’ ideas and approach and the history of early TV production. But that takes quite a lot of patience and investment of time. I suppose if you’re just starting out, it might be worth starting with the Third Doctor, Jon Pertwee. That was when the show went to color, and when it took a turn to a more action-oriented format. For most of that span, the Doctor was exiled to Earth and working as UNIT’s scientific advisor, so that’s the time when you can get to know Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (Kate Stewart’s father), though he and UNIT were introduced in a couple of Second Doctor stories (which don’t exist in complete form but have been released on DVD). Also, the Time Lords were first introduced in the Second Doctor’s final story, but they were explored more from the Third Doctor’s era onward — for instance, the Master was introduced in Pertwee’s second season, and Gallifrey was first named in his final season (in the debut story of Sarah Jane Smith as his companion, which was also the debut of the Sontarans). It’s also in this era that the series’ finest writer, Robert Holmes, becomes a regular staffer, although he did two serials in the Second Doctor era.

Although a lot of people would recommend starting with the Fourth Doctor, Tom Baker. He’s often regarded as the best classic Doctor, and certainly had the longest run. His tenure featured the classic “Genesis of the Daleks,” which featured the debut of Davros and was probably the best Dalek story in the original series. It also gave us our first real visits to Gallifrey and developed Time Lord society a great deal; a lot of stuff in “Hell Bent” was derived from the Tom Baker years, including the Sisterhood of Karn from “The Brain of Morbius.” And it had the franchise’s first season-long arc, the Key to Time storyline. But I feel that starting with Baker is sort of starting in medias res, because his debut episode opens with the familiar UNIT characters reacting to his regeneration. That was my first episode back in the ’80s (and a lot of people’s, since that was the first time the series was aired nationwide in the US), and it was kind of a confusing beginning. Pertwee’s debut worked better as a soft reboot and stepping-on point.

Still, the first two Doctors’ stories are worth checking out eventually. They lay a lot of the groundwork for the Daleks and Cybermen (there are no Cyberman stories in the Pertwee era and only on in the Tom Baker era), and the Second Doctor’s era gave us the Ice Warriors. And I think there are few better companions than Ian and Barbara in the first two seasons. The original four-member team had a lot more character interaction, drama, and humor than the later dynamic with only one companion. And Barbara was the most impressive, courageous, intelligent, and classy female companion that the Doctor had in his first decade. Plus the pure-historical stories that they did as every other serial in the First Doctor’s era were often quite well-done and engaging. The sadly lost “Marco Polo” is a grand epic with great set and costume designs that regrettably only survive in photos. The mercifully complete “The Aztecs” is a really good drama and the show’s first exploration of the ramifications of time travel and whether history can or should be changed, and it’s probably Barbara’s best story. “The Romans” is an entertaining farce with some nifty character work, the show’s first all-out comedy (although it falls short on historical accuracy), and “The Crusade” (only half of which survives) is beautifully scripted and acted, as if the TARDIS crew has stumbled into a lost Shakespeare play about Richard I and Saladin.

(Although you have to be patient with the primitive production values, which are more like a live stage performance than the cinematic style of the modern show. Frequently flubbed lines, cameras bumping into scenery, limited visual effects, obvious backdrops, slow and talky pacing… it’s kind of an acquired taste, though I’m intrigued by it.)

Transceiver
9 years ago

@54 – But really, he is the same man, and each regeneration only emphasizes slightly different aspects of his personality – case in point, these facades all but evaporate when he is in crisis, and must rely on his unchanging core mental functions to win out. Capaldi’s Doctor is the truest representation of The Doctor’s core since Baker, and that is entirely intentional on his part. “I want to be all the Doctors in one.” 10’s attitude towards his regeneration was perhaps the biggest misstep in New Who, as it betrayed the essence of the Doctor – a selfless and enlightened man who puts his life on the line everyday, for the sake of the continued survival of the entire universe, and knows he is not truly dying, would face his regeneration with curious nonchalance (much as 11 did), not with wistful self pity. That farewell tour was pure misguided fan-service.

The show is an inadvertent celebration of the fact that, despite hardships, we have the power to reinvent ourselves, and to right systemic ethical wrongs in the real world by refusing to play by the established rules of the very constructs we seek to change! Think outside the box. Be the change you want to see. At his core, the Doctor is a curious and energetic traveler, enamored with the mysteries of life – but the flip side of that perspective means he is aware of the systemic injustice inherent in ruling systems, and finds himself running into the often violent dangers born of such systems, just as often as he is able to ponder the mysteries.

Here are a couple of extremely relevant passages from Einstein’s “The World As I See It” (read it in The Doctor’s voice):

“The really valuable thing in the pageant of  human life seems to me not the State but the creative, sentient individual, the personality; it alone creates the noble and the sublime, while the herd as such remains dull in thought and dull in feeling.

This topic brings me to that worst outcrop of the herd nature, the military
system, which I abhor. That a man can take pleasure in marching in formation
to the strains of a band is enough to make me despise him. He has only been
given his big brain by mistake; a backbone was all he needed. This
plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed.
Heroism by order, senseless violence, and all the pestilent nonsense that does
by the name of patriotism—how I hate them! War seems to me a mean,
contemptible thing: I would rather be hacked in pieces than take part in such
an abominable business. And yet so high, in spite of everything, is my opinion
of the human race that I believe this bogey would have disappeared long ago,
had the sound sense of the nations not been systematically corrupted by
commercial and political interests acting through the schools and the Press.

The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental
emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who
knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good
as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery—even if
mixed with fear— that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of
something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest
reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in
their most elementary forms— it is this knowledge and this emotion that
constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a
deeply religious man. I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes
his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves.
An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my
comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls (looking at you Doctor #10).
Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of

life, and the inkling of the marvelous structure of reality, together with the
single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the
reason that manifests itself in nature.

(That’s basically the last third of the essay. The rest is also very relevant – you can read it here: https://archive.org/stream/AlbertEinsteinTheWorldAsISeeIt/The_World_as_I_See_it-AlbertEinsteinUpByTj_djvu.txt)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@60/Transceiver: Not to discount your criticisms of Ten’s regeneration and “farewell tour,” but I found it interesting how “Heaven Sent” sort of retroactively explained the Doctor’s delayed regeneration there (and in “Planet of the Spiders,” really) by establishing that even a dying Time Lord body was very slow to shut down and could linger for a long time. When I heard that line, it immediately felt to me like an attempt by Moffat to rationalize the anomaly of Ten’s grace period before regenerating.

And I did read that essay to myself in the Doctor’s voice, but it was Hartnell’s Doctor. ;)

FireMermaid
FireMermaid
9 years ago

Did anyone else notice that when the Doctor was asked to put down all of his weapons he put down the spoon he had? I laughed at that remembering his fight with Robin Hood.

Transceiver
9 years ago

@61 ChristopherLBennet – Hartnell works! I think that, when the The Doctor is well written, it is because the writer understands the character’s defining features intuitively (and some, perhaps, come to their understanding in an active observational sense). In my assessment, The Doctor fits perfectly with specific Jungian archetypes (which are, of course, largely intuitively/subconsciously processed) and one Jungian personality type: The Doctor is primarily a Senex/Wise Old Man, secondarily an archetypal Hero (to varying degrees by incarnation and show direction – sometimes he appears to be more Hero than Senex), and perennially, essentially an INTP (as was Einstein, who, if he were fictional, would also bear striking similarities to the Senex). I wonder if this very information is included in a style guide at the BBC. 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@62/FireMermaid: Yes, I noticed the spoon bit too.

MaGnUs
9 years ago

That thing with the spoon was brilliant.

Russell H
Russell H
9 years ago

@59 Re the First Doctor as a “man of action,” it should be remembered that William Hartnell was 55 years old in 1963, only a year younger than Capaldi was when he started in the role.  As I understand it, Hartnell made something of a specialty of “playing old” and got a lot of parts where an  actor of the same age as an elderly character might not have had the stamina for a role.

Before playing the Doctor, Hartnell had had a reputation for playing “hard men,” such as Army sergeants, small-time gangsters, prison guards and the like, where he did have to engage in a lot of physical performance.

Among other First Doctor story-arcs I’d recommend is “The Web Planet.”  It was arguably the most “experimental” story up until then: To convey the alien environment, the camera-lenses were slightly smeared with petroleum jelly and atonal, “electronic” music was used.  The aliens, the Menoptera and the Zarbi, were given dialogue with curiously convoluted syntax and vocabulary in an unusual attempt to portray genuinely alien thought processes.  As an example, when confronted with a wall and wanting to break through, one of them says, “A silent wall.  We must cut  mouths in it with our weapons so it can speak light.”

 

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@66/Russell H: That’s true, but Hartnell was still in very poor health for his age, what with his smoking and drinking. In the DVD commentary for “The Romans,” the actor/stuntman who fought with Hartnell in that episode points out that it was necessary to choreograph the fight very carefully so that it wasn’t too demanding for Hartnell. It was only a few months earlier that Hartnell had been injured in “The Dalek Invasion of Earth” and had to miss an episode, because another performer carried him down a ramp too quickly and stumbled off the end of it, causing Hartnell to land rather hard on a camera base or something.

And of course he did eventually grow too ill to continue in the role, which is why regeneration was invented. So in a sense, we have Hartnell’s frailty to thank for the open-ended longevity of the series.

And yes, I did watch “The Web Planet” recently — though unfortunately neither Netflix nor my library had the DVD, so I had to watch it on Hulu and didn’t get to see the documentaries or listen to the commentaries. Which is a shame, because they might’ve been quite interesting. “The Web Planet” is widely considered one of the worst Hartnell-era storylines, and I can see why. The ideas were ambitious, but the execution was very clunky and the whole thing turned out to be rather dull. Back in the day, when my PBS station showed the serials in “movie” form complete in one night, I found this one to be excruciatingly boring and awful, my least favorite early serial. Rewatching it recently, I found it more palatable, perhaps because I could watch just a couple of episodes a day. I do appreciate the attempt to create genuinely alien creature designs and cultures, and the worldbuilding is kind of cool. But the execution falls short of the concept.

Gorgeous Gary
Gorgeous Gary
9 years ago

After this episode, I fond myself wondering if this diner was also a TARDIS. Maybe even the same TARDIS, changing hands after Clara and Me were done with it.

Russell H
Russell H
9 years ago

@67 You make an important point about appreciating “The Web Planet” better by watching only one or two episodes at a time.  That’s something I try to suggest to people who haven’t watched “Classic Who” and want to try it.  Since those stories were originally intended to be watched as one 25-minute episode a week, their pacing is not conducive to being run end-to-end (as done in the PBS “movie compilation” format) or even binge-watching the episodes”: there’s a cliffhanger every 20-odd minutes that usually turns out to be nothing, a lot of standing around and discussing or arguing, and the notorious “running down corridors” to fill out an episode (I caught that meta-reference in “Heaven Sent” where the Doctor remarks to his pursuer, “I’ve run out of corridors!”)

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@69/Russell H: In my case, the local PBS station showed the serials on Saturday nights, so for the big 6- or 7-part ones, I had to stay up way past my bedtime. Thank goodness it wasn’t Sunday nights or weeknights. I think they actually split “The War Games” over two weekends.

Karen
Karen
9 years ago

@22 said it all for me. I felt nothing. After all the clever leadup in the previous episode….. after moping around for 2 seasons because his planet is lost forever…. after BILLIONS of years of torture, he rediscovers his home planet and people, only to…. ??? (Not sure exactly what happened or why, so I cannot fill in the blanks there.) I was in a funk for 3 days after watching this.

The Doctor does NOT shoot first.

richF
richF
9 years ago

One thing about the General’s regeneration (and other regenerations) that bothered me was the idea that regeneration is a traumatic event and requires some kind of period of rest and recovery in order to stabilize either physically, mentally, or both. This has happened with every Doctor’s regeneration (except Colin Baker to McCoy, and not sure about McGann to Hurt or Hurt to Eccleston), but never with any other Time Lord. We’ve seen Jacobi transition to Simm, the General in Hell Bent, K’anpo in Planet of the Spiders, Romana I to Romana II, and all of them were immediately stable and functional after they regenerated.

MaGnUs
9 years ago

Maybe there’s something wrong with the Doctor? Having to do with his stolen TARDIS? Or something like that?

ChristopherLBennett
9 years ago

@72/RichF: Not all of the Doctor’s regenerations were treated that way. The Second Doctor was only mentally disoriented for a couple of minutes after regeneration, but he was promptly tootling on his recorder and going out for a stroll. The Third and Fourth Doctors both needed a fair amount of rest afterward, but evidently less so in the latter case, since he was up and about before the UNIT folks expected him to be. Five had a rougher time of it and needed the Zero Room to stabilize the regeneration, but that was presented as an unusually rough one. Six was up and about in no time; he had a bout of mental instability and became briefly violent, but physically he needed no rest or recovery period. Seven was unconscious for a little while, but that was after he was apparently knocked out in the TARDIS crash, so it’s unclear how much of that was due to the regeneration itself.

Now, Eight was actually superhumanly strong right after his regeneration, able to knock down a locked metal door in the morgue, and did not need a physical recovery period, though he had amnesia for a while due to the delayed regeneration. As you say, we don’t know how easy the War or Ninth Doctor’s recovery was. Ten and Twelve were both unconscious for quite a while after an initial manic burst, but Eleven was quite lively and manic from the start, with no rest period needed. His main physical reaction to regeneration was intense food cravings. And let’s remember that Ten regenerated twice. After his partial regeneration in “Journey’s End,” he was perfectly fine just about immediately. And “The Time of the Doctor” confirmed that that did actually constitute a full regeneration even though he didn’t change.

So we have thirteen regenerations — 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 6/7, 7/8, 8/War, War/9, 9/10, 10/10, 10/11, and 11/12. Of those, we know of three that needed no significant recovery period (1/2, 10/10, and 10/11), two that resulted in mental aftereffects but no physical weakness or unconsciousness (5/6 and 7/8), five that required a rest period afterward to some degree (2/3, 3/4, 6/7, 9/10, and 11/12), one that almost failed and needed external assistance to stabilize (4/5), and two that are indeterminate (8/War and War/9). So apparently it’s unpredictable what the aftereffects will be. And “immediately stable and functional” is certainly within the realm of possibility for the Doctor as well as other Time Lords.

It’s interesting that the only regeneration that almost failed was also the only one that was “prepared for” in advance — Four’s regeneration into Five, with the temporally nonlinear involvement of the Watcher. You’d think that if some aspect of the Fifth Doctor was able to reach back before the Fourth’s regeneration and guide the process, that would make it more stable, not less. But maybe the temporal bleed effect, the breakdown of causality, was itself a symptom of the breakdown of the regeneration process.

It’s also notable that there’s no correlation between the severity of the Doctor’s mortal injury and the difficulty of his recovery. He needed no significant recovery after “dying” of old age, being poisoned with Spectrox, being shot repeatedly and undergoing a botched surgery, being grazed by a Dalek weapon, and being fatally dosed with radiation. But he needed a lot of rest after being forced to regenerate by the Time Lords (which you’d think would be a controlled process), being fatally dosed with radiation the first time, being in a TARDIS crash, absorbing the Time Vortex, and dying of really, really old age on Trenzalore. And the one that almost failed was the result of falling from a height. So even the same mechanism of “death” can lead to a different post-regeneration response.