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Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events

Everybody jump in, the time water is tepid! Our word of the day is: friendship.

Summary

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

In a flashback to Asgard, we see young Sylvie (Cailey Fleming) playing in the palace—she is snatched up by Renslayer, back when she was a working hunter. In the moment when she’s brought up for trial, Sylvie steals Renslayer’s TemPad and escapes. In the present, Loki and Sylvie are waiting on Lamentis-1 as the planet is about to be destroyed. Loki tells Sylvie that she is remarkable and that her work evading the TVA is extraordinary. As they hold hands together, a Nexus Event occurs, one so powerful that the TVA can trace it event within an extinction event. They are captured and taken to separate cells. Mobius goes to talk to Renslayer and asks if he can speak to Hunter C-20 to figure out what’s going on, but Renslayer tells him that C-20 is dead because the Variant destroyed her mind. He asks to speak to the Variant, but Renslayer refuses, citing her concern for Mobius’ safety. Loki tries to tell Mobius that the TVA is a lie, but he’s put in a “time cell,” one that creates a loop from the past over and over: this loop features a moment when Sif confronted him for cutting off her hair as a prank. She knees him in the groin, punches him in the face, and tells him that he’s alone and always will be. This occurs again and again, no matter how Loki tries to handle the situation.

Mobius tries to ask Renslayer for permission to talk to the Variant again, but Renslayer is immovable on that front. He goes back to talk to Loki, and tries to get the truth out of him by berating him—he believes that Loki has fallen in love with Sylvie and finds the narcissism of that act beyond pale. Loki tries to explain that everyone in the TVA is a variant and Mobius puts him back in the time cell. In the meantime, Hunter B-15 has been shaken by what she saw when Sylvie took over her mind. She insists on going to speak to the prisoner, then takes her back to the Roxxcart where they met and asks for the truth. Sylvie shows her the life she had before, and B-15 notes that she looked happy then.

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

Mobius goes to Renslayer, agreeing to close the case, but he asks some prying questions and steals her datapad when she’s not looking. She asks him where he would go if he could go anywhere in space and time, and he insists that he’s where he wants to be. Alone, he looks through the file of C-20, which shows a video of her insisting that she’s a variant and that she remembers her life. He returns to the time cell to tell Loki that he believes him, that they’re friends, and that they are going to work together to stop whatever is going on here. When they emerge from the cell, Renslayer is waiting with guards. Mobius tells her that if he could go anywhere, he’d chose to go back to his true life. Renslayer prunes him, erasing Mobius in front of Loki.

Renslayer takes him and Sylvie to stand before the Time Keepers, who insist that these variants are nothing. B-15 arrives to help free Sylvie and a fight breaks out. After Loki and Sylvie subdue everyone in the room, Sylvie launches her sword at one of the Time Keepers’ neck and cuts off his head, revealing him to be an android. Loki tries to tell Sylvie about the Nexus event they caused by being together, but he is pruned by Renslayer. She and Sylvie fight, and when Sylvie wins, Renslayer insists that she kill her. Sylvie refuses and demands the Renslayer tell her everything.

In a mid-credits scene, Loki awakens somewhere else and is met by four new variants of himself (Richard E. Grant, DeObia Oparei, Jack Veal, and… a CGI lizard).

Commentary

The real takeaway here is “If you can get Richard E. Grant to show up in the eleventh hour as comics Loki, always do that.”

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

The four variants that we see have been labeled as Boastful Loki (Oparei), Kid Loki (Veal), Classic Loki (Grant), and Reptile Loki, which are all turns taken from versions that have shown up in the comics—Kid Loki is the version who runs with the Young Avengers; Classic Loki is the original version of the character from the older comics; Boastful Loki looks to be a combo of a few different versions of the character, possibly including the “Axis” event run where Loki was a hero who was capable of wielding mjolnir; Reptile Loki plays into the number of times Loki has shapeshifted into animals in both the comics and Norse myth.

And this is all fun, sure, but also… do we need it?

At the point at which it looked like Loki had died, I mistakenly hoped the show would run with that for a bit, to get a sense of Sylvie on her own, or even just for the factor of surprise. The idea of doing away with Hiddleston for a while is actually way more shocking than this new handful of variants showing up. But I suppose that would have counted on the show doing something truly brave and different, and it keeps proving that it’s not up to that particular task.

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

Let’s start with the Time Keepers themselves, who were so transparently not a thing that the moment they showed up with their glowing eyes in front of Renslayer at the start of the episode, I went “oh, look, robots” and never bothered worrying about them again. It may have been a shock the first four times original series Star Trek worked this angle, but it’s distressing to watch Loki chase its own tail this way. What we’re dealing with is a science fictional show that seems to be run by people who don’t actually know science fiction that well—even when they play through obvious tropes, they don’t manage it interestingly enough to make up for how unoriginal it is. All they needed to do was acknowledge that this reveal wasn’t much of a reveal. The problem is, they clearly expected it to be surprising when it had “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain” written all over it from the very beginning.

So now we’ve got a bunch of variants in one place and they’re going to fix whatever is going on here… which is basically just a multi-Doctor episode of Doctor Who. But at least with Doctor Who, we’re attached enough to each variant because we’ve watched them be the Doctor already. What we’ve got here are a bunch of Lokis we don’t know, one who we’ve only barely been introduced to, and then the one we’re meant to care about. Trouble is, he’s being jerked around so much that none of the character development we’re supposed to glean is settling in—resulting in the most familiar version of the character feeling like a stranger. At this point, the two people I’m most concerned for are Mobius and B-15, and nothing else feels all that urgent. (Seriously, give Mobius his jet ski and a real friend he can depend on, this poor guy.)

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

Speaking of feeling like a stranger, if the conceit of a romantic connection here doesn’t turn out to be a giant misdirect, I’m going to lose it. What is the purpose of jamming any sort of love story in here? Why even suggest it? Did they literally run out of ways to pass the time so urgently that they couldn’t think of anything else to shove into that interrogation scene? Used up all your good questions in the first episode, I guess. Nowhere else to go but “you’re in love with yourself, and that’s a new level of narcissism”? If it turns out to be setting us up for some depressing hallmark-ish Loki-needs-to-learn-to-love-himself BS, you can count me right out.

At least they got one of those cool back-to-back starts to a fight scene?

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

It does seem as though Marvel is going the route of “Lady Loki is Enchantress,” which should be a fun idea, but the variant issue is mucking everything up. There’s a suggestion within this frame that variance is part of what changes Loki—in the comics, the point is that he can shapeshift as a part of his magical abilities, that he can choose to be anything and is therefore making that choice constantly and consciously. Showing those differences through “timeline variants” prevents Marvel from having to address the concept of Loki actively changing as a choice. And that’s pretty awkward when the entire show seems to revolve around the question of whether or not Loki can change. (Which, we already know he can, but this is the show they gave us, so that’s what we’re about for the time being.) The character’s ability to self-actualize has always been bound up in his ability to shift, whether physically, mentally, or emotionally. If the series is determined to avoid this theme on a physical level, how can they hope to address it on any other?

Granted, we might learn something in the next episode that changes all of that, but it’s hard to be hopeful when all of the choices the show has made thus far are utterly pedestrian. They’ve only got two weeks left to pull the rabbit out of the hat here.

Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios

Thoughts and Asides:

  • The bit about cutting off Sif’s hair is taken straight from Norse mythology, and has been used before within Marvel comics as a comical inciting incident. Within mythology it is also a prank, with Loki cutting off all of Sif’s golden hair and then being forced to replace it with actual gold. In the instance of the MCU, the prank reads as meaner because there’s no magic ending, just Loki being shitty to the one woman who hangs out with Thor’s crew. Interestingly, there was a point in the comics when Loki actually took over Sif’s body, and she was Lady Loki for a time.
Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios
  • In addition to being obviously robots, two of the Time Keepers had their audio so fuzzed out that their dialogue was indecipherable? Come on, y’all, keep it together.
  • Yet again, I come back to my question about why everyone at the TVA is human if they’re supposed to be managing the timeline for the universe. If there doesn’t wind up being a real reason behind it, I’m gonna be extremely annoyed.
Loki, season one, episode four, The Nexus Events
Screenshot: Marvel Studios
  • Okay, but is the “time cell” live and active time, because… it can’t be, right? And if it isn’t, then what is it actually doing? The ability for Sif to change her response suggests that it’s real somehow, but Loki can’t be going back into the actual moment because that would ostensibly screw up the timeline? I dunno, again, it just seems sloppy without an explanation.
  • Is that… a dilapidated Avengers Tower there in the background of that final shot? Are the Loki variants just hanging out in some netherworld of variant timelines that reality forgot?

Same Loki time, same Loki channel, next week.

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Emmet Asher-Perrin

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Mr. Magic
3 years ago

The cameo of Kid Loki gives me hope that, at long last, we will see Thori the Hel-Hound in the MCU.

krad
3 years ago

I must confess to mostly being happy to see Jaimie Alexander as Sif again.

—Keith R.A. DeCandido

 

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Mr. Magic
3 years ago

@2,

Yeah, I’ve hated how badly Sif was mishandled in the preceding films (same with the Warriors Three).

Of course, the irony is that had Sif not been written out of Ragnarok (due to Alexander’s Blindspot committments), that would’ve been the end of her along with the Warriors. So there’s the chance to bring her back and finally do her character justice here and in Thor 4.

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Megaduck
3 years ago

I liked this one much better then the last Episode.  I actually did not guess the time keeper robot angle at first and was legitimately surprised when they turned out to be robots.  

 

Of the three Marvel TV shows this year  I find Loki the weakest of the bunch.  That said, I’m going to watch the next one and the next TV show so it’s not bad, it’s just not amazing.  Nothing really feels fresh and I’m having trouble with the characters, I don’t feel like its a character driven show but at the same time it doesn’t feel like a plot driven show.   

 

That said, I am glad Marvel is willing to experiment on the format for how they present.  I’m going to need to see the final two episodes to know if this is a great show, or if it was just mildly entertaining.  

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Fehler
3 years ago

Kree and Titans and …Vampires?  Oh my!

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3 years ago

Now I think this episode was much much more like it… Sophia Di Martino so much better when not dropped into a bad Dr. Who Episode, Tom Hiddleston back on sure footing and Gugu Mbatha Raw out front and centre  this is what I want to see.. and then add in  the fantastic Jaimie Alexander as Lady Sif, which is always excellent to see, couple this with a more intriguing episode along with Owen Wilson toning  down being Owen Wilson a bit and I was much more invested in this one.  .. 

I now want to see what’s to come when  by last week I was dreading what was to come..…. 

and Richard E Grant in the mid credits scene?   I’m now up for it.

 

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3 years ago

I’m probably the only weirdo out there who has been shipping these two since last episode. A hedonistic narcissist like Loki is absolutely the kind of person who would only be able to find a real connection with themself. 

Hiddleston’s scene in the hallway when they are first separated is the first real glimpse of empathy we have ever gotten from the character after several appearances. 

My money on TVA head is on Kang or a Superior Loki 

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Ryan
3 years ago

Yeah, I’m going to guess the real head of the TVA is Kang or Immortus or one of his other personas.  If I had to make a big guess, the TVA is there to ensure that Kang’s rise to power occurs, and the undoing of the TVA and the Sacred Timeline will be the key to defeating him as the big bad for Phase 4/5.

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3 years ago

Did anyone else notice that Loki went out like Coulson did? (And also like Coulson, that “out” didn’t end up being his end?)

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Mr. Magic
3 years ago

@9,

Agreed. Kang feels like the logical successor (or at least one) to fill the long-term Big Bad vacancy with Thanos dusted.

It’s also a complete 180. Instead of the threat of space warlord, we have a time traveling warlord from the future armed with knowledge and near infinite resources and tech

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Ryan
3 years ago

@11

Though there’s one possible dark horse candidate – It was Miss Minutes all along!

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Ellynne
3 years ago

Speaking for twins or anyone else who has a sibling the same age (whether from TVA interference or other causes), I feel kind of creeped out at the idea of Loki falling for Sylvie.

I wasn’t sure if Loki changed shape or not in the movies, but that explains the lizard. I’m taking it.

Sunspear
3 years ago

This review was a bit harsh. Maybe the episode didn’t meet expectations, especially building on the tidbit about bisexuality (that’s all we’re getting in this series). But it’s not as bad as it sounds from the complaining.

They are definitely building the groundwork for Kang. The role has been cast and filming on Ant-man and Wasp: Quantumania has begun. Ravonna is Kang’s girlfriend in the comics. But I doubt we’ll actually see him here. Unless it’s a brief glimpse like with Thanos at the end of Avengers.

Also, it’s not that Loki’s showrunners don’t know their sci-fi history. Trek itself wasn’t original in using the Wizard of Oz trope over and over. me and others assumed early on that the Time Keepers either weren’t real or no longer existed. It wasn’t in the least unexpected or shocking when that head came rolling down. Sure, they were puppets, but Ravonna knoiws more than she’s telling. She’s scared. What is she hiding? Why is she resigned to death as if it’s a relief?

Vampires mentioned: we already know a new Blade is coming. The Titans mention? I dunno. We’re getting Zeus in the next Thor; maybe more Greek myth along with that.

I’m looking forward to what comes next. No sour taste yet. Most other reviews I’ve read say the show is batshit crazy; in a good way.

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huh
3 years ago

I think a disappointingly large number of MCU fans are all right with mediocrity.

I’m not upset some people find joy in this show or the MCU at large. I am upset that people have to “turn off” their brains to enjoy something. We’re entering a new age of anti-intellectualism and “my favourite corporation/media franchise is my personality and my god” age, and that’s frightening.

Honestly, I will let the show end before I watch the following episodes, if I choose to finish the series at all. I’m tired of one of the world’s largest corporations, with incredibly talented people on speed dial, making the most bland, conveyor-belt media. I’m tired of defending their bare minimum. This bisexual fan is out.

I’ll probably only watch Multiverse of Madness, and that’s only because it’s Sam Raimi’s return. I am legitimately tired of stale superhero media.

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3 years ago

@15: I do not find it to be bland or mediocre at all. If I like it and you don’t, then that is perfectly fine with me, but as someone who enjoys the MCU, I object to the suggestion that doing so makes me dumb, or that I have turned my brain off to do so. I find the show, and most of the current MCU to be a wonderful exploration of character best found in the quieter moments. I will agree that there is an epidemic of anti-intellectualism, but I feel that it comes in the form of false-intellectualism by way of a CinemaSins style, obtusely pedantic, hyper-critical lens that is intent on finding fault with complete disregard to reason.

I do not mean to insinuate that the above necessarily refers to your particular mindset, so please do not take it as such. There is such a plague of movie goers who have little regard for what makes a story and what makes a film. For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone thinks Iron Man and Ant-Man are the same movie by only observing the barest of details and window dressing.

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ries
3 years ago

Just find it funny that the wholesome praise Wandavision received on this website, it seems Loki cant seem to do any good. While their are pretty much on the same level qualitywise in writing.

Sunspear
3 years ago

: some viewers are burdening this show with glorious expectations (to paraphrase a guy). Overburdening it with a very specific expectation, actually. And since that expectation isn’t being met, they choose the sour grapes route.

I guess that’s well enough for fans ( we all choose how we consume an entertainment product), but I expect a slight bit more objectivity from critics.

Tessuna
3 years ago

First of all, I love this show. Something about the retro design of TVA and Owen Wilson just makes me think this is somehow a Wes Anderson movie.

I was a bit dissappointed by this episode, but just because I liked some theories about Lamentis – that Loki enchanted Sylvie and some part of the episode isn’t real, that the tempad isn’t really destroyed, that Loki has a time stone etc. It just seems odd that there was no… mischief.

I also think that Loki has more chemistry with Moebius than with Sylvie, and his feelings for her are maybe logical, but their romance feels a bit forced to me.

Anyway, every second Loki and Moebius are on screen together is pure gold and I could watch a thousand episodes just about the two of them having a boring deskjob at TVA and being friends.

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Austin
3 years ago

Anybody find it odd that the two episodes since the “time bomb” cliffhanger haven’t even addressed the time bombs and branching realities that were created???

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3 years ago

@20 Not that odd. All those bombs were clearly a diversion to clear out TVA agents so Sophie could invade. 

But it’s something that could have been made clearer with some dialogue.

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3 years ago

I really can’t imagine any other show like what a great deal of people seem to be watching when they watch Marvel Shows up to this point.  A lot of folksseem to fall in one (or both) of two categories:

1.  Someone who is expecting a number of story elements that are not intrinsically related to the show’s concept and is then really, really pissed that none of those things are in there.

2. Someone who creates a bizarrely specific exegesis of each micro-detail and ends up constructing a hypothesis of what the story is about that is light years away from where it eventually ends, and is then really, really pissed.

I’ve really enjoyed the Tor reviews of the Marvel shows up to this point.  I think the Wandavision reviews were insightful, critical, and entertaining to read.  But the reviews for Loki up to this point seem to be combinations of categories 1 and 2 above.  If you really hate this show, why keep reviewing it?

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Carla
3 years ago

All our family really enjoying Loki (and enjoyed Wandavision) – the design is amazing and it’s funny as well as exciting. Not quite sure why these reviews are so negative, maybe because it isn’t as expected? That’s a plus for me. I agree that the reviewer should maybe hand over further reviews to someone more interested in the show?

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3 years ago

While I enjoy Loki a fair bit more than some critics (I’m not falling to the this-is-not-how-I-would-have-wrote-it syndrome), I think the show is a bit less ambitious than the other two shows. Wandavision is about grief; the resonances there are far-ranging. Winter Soldier is about legacy and the unfair burden American society places on its black members of society; the resonances there are obviously far reaching. Loki’s exploration of identity seems more limited and idiosyncratic to the admittedly well-established character of the trickster god. But the linkages to wider issues and themes aren’t quite there yet. And that’s OK…not all stories have to have issues that touch on society-wide issues.

But, still…that’s the difference that come out to me between these mini-series…

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Masha
3 years ago

I for one doubt that real person behind timekeepers is Kang.  If it is, then we would never find out or see real him, maybe in the last episode mid credit scene. Marvel will not put such a major spoiler to their next movie in TV series and make it so obvious.

I think its one of Loki variants. I also think in the end they will prune Renslayer. We may also get a closing, post credit scene a la Avengers Thanos scene, where shadowy figure (Kang) vows revenge or to revive Renslayer.

Question, do you think Renslayer is also a brainwashed variant or one in the “know” willingly doing all TVA dirty job

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Nina
3 years ago

In addition to being obviously robots, two of the Time Keepers had their audio so fuzzed out that their dialogue was indecipherable?

I’m glad I’m not the only one who couldn’t make out what they were saying! I guess it doesn’t really matter since they were just pre-programmed robots, but it was annoying in the moment.

Yonni
3 years ago

I haven’t seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but I haven’t enjoyed Loki as much as I enjoyed WandaVision. Possibly because WandaVision was mindblowing and gave me really high expectations for the subsequent marvel series. I’m going to reserve judgement on Loki when all the episodes are out and I can think about how they all fit together. Some sort of unexpected ending could make the weak points of this episode stronger in retrospect 

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kurozukin
3 years ago

Is it me, or did it seem like the younger Ravonna in the flashback let Sylvie go? There was kind of a long moment between the kid opening the portal and her stepping through it when Ravonna just stood there staring at her.

I think I would actually really like the relationship between Loki and Sylvie if they didn’t try to portray it as romantic by default. MCU actually has a relatively decent showing of close non-romantic bonds between male and female characters, so it feels disappointing for this show to act like Loki can’t develop feelings for a woman without it being romantic. Especially right after establishing that he’s bisexual. (I will take this all back if we see him next episode developing crushes on the guy Lokis he meets.)

With two out of six episodes left, there’s still time for the show to make up for a saggy middle with a strong ending, so I am reserving my judgment on how good it is compared to the two previous shows. I doubt it will replace WandaVision as my favorite, but it could still edge out FATWS, which did have its own share of insultingly dumb plot threads and contrivances.

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3 years ago

My main gripe with Loki is that, despite the excellent acting by everyone involved, it somehow manages to be both too slow and too fast at once. The characters spend so much time talking to each other and doing nothing that it makes me wonder if some of that time couldn’t have been actually spent solving some of the stuff they introduced in previous episodes (like, how did they eliminate all of Sylvie’s nexus events so quickly? I get it, time travel, but the end of the second episode made it look like a Big Deal and it’s weird that it’s basically never mentioned again.) 
And on the other hand, for all of their talking, these characters do not really get to connect with each other. Loki and Mobius, Mobius and Sylvie, they spend at most a few days together. That’s not really enough for someone to believably complain about being betrayed by a friend, or to find such a deep connection that it can shatter reality, even if it’s with your alternate self. Episodes 2 and 3 should have been two half seasons each, the former about Loki working with the TVA, the latter about Loki and Sylvie running through apocalypses, with the mid-credits scene as the season finale, and season 2 covering the second part of the plot. 

Miniseries can be good, but so far Disney/Marvel’s approach to them has been to make either a really short TV series or a very long and diluted film. One doesn’t have time to breathe, the other has its pacing killed by the weekly release, and neither seems to be really working for me. 

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3 years ago

While I disagree with Emmet, I find the notion that they have to like something to review it ridiculous. It’s a review, not a celebration.

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3 years ago

@30

I also disagree with Emmet. But I also understand Emmet’s particular tastes and biases, which gives the review value.

Sunspear
3 years ago

A reviewer doesn’t have to like the product they are reviewing, but they should be fair. it is unfair to say a show or film is bad because it didn’t meet the reviewer’s wishful biased expectation. The show is simply doing something else.

It should also be understood that the show is perfectly fine for someone who doesn’t have that specific expectation. I sometimes wonder if we will reach a point of oversaturation in public demands to bend popular characters with existing histories.

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Tehanu
3 years ago

Well, I’m sorry Emmet is having such a bad time with this show. I don’t say it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the review really scants the show’s good points, like the amazing final apocalypse moments before Loki & Sylvie get rescued — I’ve never seen anything that beautiful on TV before.  Tom Hiddleston’s acting is incredible — the subtlety with which he shows every single emotion Loki feels, often multiple emotions in a single moment, astonishes me — and Owen Wilson is just a delight. My critique would be more that Loki is being shown as a god not of mischief but of malice, and I’d like to see some humor.  He’s a trickster, not a destroyer.

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3 years ago

@30 I agree with you on this.  It is of course ridiculous to insist that every reviewer like what they review.  Sometimes, a scathing review can bring out aspects of a piece that a mindless fan would ignore.  

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Jeff
3 years ago

Does anyone think that the reason Renslayer wanted Sylvie to kill her with the pruning wand was because she knew she wouldn’t die – she’d just wake up somewhere/when else?

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3 years ago

I’m way late to this as we were on vacation so we were a few behind, but a few thoughts:

-I was honestly devastated when Mobius got pruned.  Of course, the line for some reason I always associated with Owen Wilson is from Zoolander: “I’ve never even been to Mt. Vesuvius!”  I don’t know why, but my husband and I have randomly quoted it to each other throughout our nearly 15 year old relationship.  So, even if he didn’t get his jet ski…at least he’s been to Mt. Vesuvius :)

-I was also shocked/impressed when our Loki got pruned and I do feel the same sense of disappointment (even if I am glad there is still more story to tell with him, and hope for Mobius) that they went for the shock moment and then walked it back so soon.  Maybe this is a ‘me’ thing but I hate feeling like I was tricked into grieving/having some emotional response, but then it gets walked back and there are few actual narrative consequences to it. When not done well It feels like an indulgence by writers.  Obviously in-universe it mattered (and we see where it drives the story later on…) so this isn’t QUITE as bad.

-I do enjoy the show and the general themes of learning how to change, love oneself (I see his love for Sylvie in recognizing his best self), facing fears of being alone and all that, as well as being faced with the other general ways you could turn out (both for better and worse).  One thing that does hamper me a bit is my own issues I am projecting – I still feel Loki is maybe too easily forgiven/malleable.  I’ve been tormented by charming assholes and yeah, they’re great at making you feel they are victims, you should feel bad for them, they’ve changed, etc.  I do get the impression we’re supposed to take Loki at face value (and to be honest, I don’t WANT them to then pull a big ‘I lied!’ twist at the end as that undercuts the themes of the show – I DO like the message that we can change to the best version of ourself (while still accepting base parameters of our personality), that we can make a different choice, and chose a different path no matter how far we’ve gone down one) but I guess it’s still hard for me to trust it and I kind of worry that irl a lot of toxic narcissists just see themselves as Loki.

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3 years ago

Oh, and fun fact, but Cailey Fleming was also young Rey in the Force Awakens.  She’s a little girl and has already managed a role in both Star Wars and Marvel, lol.  She’s got Erin Kellyman beat, I think, hehe.

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JUNO
1 year ago

Holy shit that last picture….