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Published on May 21, 2014

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In 1996, Star Trek reached its 30th anniversary. Deep Space Nine celebrated this occasion with an episode called “Trials and Tribble-ations,” which was a direct crossover with “The Trouble with Tribbles.” With the DS9 Rewatch having reached that point, we’re celebrating by doing a redux of “Tribbles Week,” previously celebrated when the Star Trek Rewatch by Eugene Myers & Torie Atkinson got to “The Trouble with Tribbles” back in 2010. We began Monday with a special rewatch of the episode that started it all, and we followed it yesterday with the DS9 episode. Today, we conclude with a look at DS9’s sister show Voyager and how they celebrated the anniversary…

“Flashback”

Written by Brannon Braga

Directed by David Livingston
Season 3, Episode 2

Production episode 145

Original air date: September 11, 1996

Stardate: 50126.4

Captain’s log: Voyager has found a Class 17 nebula, which is filled with sirilium, which can be used by the ship as an energy source. However, as soon as the nebula appears on the screen, Tuvok experiences dizziness and disorientation. As he goes to sickbay, he hears the voice of a little girl asking for his help. He gets flashes of himself as a boy trying to save a human girl from falling off a cliff. Tuvok loses his grip on the girl in his hallucination and his grip on reality in the present, as he collapses as soon as he enters sickbay.

The EMH examines Tuvok, saying that his heartrate and his adrenaline increased—in a human, he’d call it a panic attack. That tracks with his emotional response to the memory—except it wasn’t an actual memory. It never happened to Tuvok. The EMH lets Tuvok go, but attaches a doodad to his ear to monitor him in case he has another episode.

Tuvok tries a meditative exercise involving building blocks with his eyes shut while candles burn (because it isn’t a proper meditative exercise if there aren’t candles). Of course, it doesn’t work, because that’s the plot. He also can’t find any basis for that particular memory.

Star Trek: Voyager, Flashback

Kim has checked the sensor logs, and can find nothing to explain what happened to Tuvok. He suggests a tachyon sweep to try to detect a cloaked ship, as you can’t be too careful this close to Klingon space. The others point out that the Klingon Empire’s on the other side the galaxy, which Tuvok knows of course. Then he sees the nebula again on a monitor, has the flashback again, and collapses.

Star Trek: Voyager, Flashback

This time, the EMH has something: Tuvok has a repressed memory, which in Vulcans can cause brain damage. The treatment is to mind-meld with a family member and bring the repressed memory forward. Janeway’s the closest he has to family on board, and she agrees to participate in the meld. During the meld, Janeway’s function is to counsel him, help him objectify the memory and reintegrate it into his consciousness.

Tuvok initiates the meld, and they find themselves sent, not to Tuvok’s childhood as they expect, but to the bridge of a Starfleet vessel. They’re on the Excelsior, which was Tuvok’s first deep-space assignment as an ensign under Captain Sulu. Tuvok explains to Janeway that they’re in a battle against the Klingons—Janeway recalls that he thought they were near Klingon space in the engine room—and that the battle was precipitated by something that occurred three days previous.

Suddenly, they’re in the mess hall three days earlier, and Commander Rand is commencing gamma shift. The Excelsior is charting gaseous anomalies, just like Voyager was. That’s two similarities, which Janeway figures is not a coincidence.

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We then get the opening scene of Star Trek VI all over again, with Praxis exploding, the Excelsior being caught in the subspace shockwave, and Sulu ordering Lojur to turn into the wave to save the ship.

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Then we jump ahead to Sulu’s decision to rescue Kirk and McCoy from their imprisonment in Klingon space. He sets course for Qo’noS, and he orders Lojur to go through the Azure Nebula. Tuvok protests this action, as it’s in direct violation of orders. Sulu notes the protest, but also says that he served with Kirk and McCoy for a long time, they’re family, they’re in trouble, and he’s going to help them, regulations be damned.

They approach the Azure Nebula, which looks very similar to the one Voyager saw. As soon as he sees it, he flashes on the repressed memory again—and so does Janeway. But then Tuvok has a seizure, and the meld is broken. The synaptic pathways are breaking down, and the EMH has to sedate him for a bit.

Janeway reads up on the Excelsior’s mission, but Sulu’s logs are parsimonious with details. There’s no mention of a battle with the Klingons or of the Azure Nebula, probably because they were breaking regs. Tuvok awakens and they try another meld.

They’re back on the Excelsior. Tuvok and Valtane talk in their bunk as the ship goes through the nebula. Tuvok says that he doesn’t like the egocentricity of humans and their need to have everyone act like them. He only joined Starfleet because his parents wished it, but he resigned after his term on the Excelsior ended. He studied Kolinahr for a time, but then succumbed to pon farr, married T’Pel, and had children. With age, and parenthood, he came to understand why his parents thought Starfleet was a good fit, and he rejoined.

Valtane and Tuvok are awakened by a red alert. A Klingon ship fires across their bow. Kang is the captain of the Klingon ship, and he contacts Sulu, who explains that they were examining the nebula and had a navigational malfunction and got lost. Kang offers to escort the Excelsior back to Federation space, which Sulu can’t come up with a good reason to refuse.

Tuvok reports the composition of the nebula to Sulu, including the sirilium. Sulu recognizes that as combustible, and Tuvok suggests a method of igniting it that would disable Kang’s ship. Sulu implements that plan, and they resume course to Qo’noS. But then, they’re attacked by three Klingon battle cruisers. Valtane’s console explodes, and Tuvok runs to Valtane, who calls Tuvok’s name, and then they both see the memory. But the meld is also breaking down, and now Sulu can see Janeway. He orders them both to the brig. They need to go back to Valtane’s death, but Janeway needs to be inconspicuous, so they go back to the destruction of Praxis and nerve-pinch Rand so Janeway can take her uniform. Why they can’t just break into someone’s closet is unclear.

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Meanwhile, the EMH and Kes determine that there’s a second memory engram inside Tuvok’s, which appears to be a type of telepathic virus. He tries to eradicate it with thoron radiation.

The battle occurs again, and Valtane dies again. Tuvok concentrates, and this time so does Janeway. They soon determine that it’s a virus that jumps from person to person, posing as a memory engram of a traumatic childhood memory of dropping a child down a precipice, something so awful that the person would naturally repress it. When Valtane died, it went from him to Tuvok, who repressed it until he saw a nebula that looked almost exactly like the Azure Nebula where Valtane died.

The EMH and Kes are able to destroy the virus and everyone is healthy and happy again. Tuvok admits that the experiences of those days are ones he is grateful to have had, which is as close to nostalgic as he’s likely to get.

Can’t we just reverse the polarity?: Sirilium can apparently be ignited by a polaron beam, which Sulu then likens to like striking a match on gunpowder, or some such analogy that was so commonplace on the original series that Futurama made fun of it.

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There’s coffee in that nebula!: Janeway doesn’t hesitate to help Tuvok in his time of need. She also goes on about those crazy 23rd century captains and how they’d all be drummed out of Starfleet today, but they were kinda cool, too, a rather patronizing attitude taken by someone who can’t even get her own crew home.

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Mr. Vulcan: Tuvok was a stuck-up prig when he was an ensign, believing humans to be annoying and insistent on fobbing their emotionalism off on everyone else. He also protests Sulu’s actions on the bridge of his ship, which is a ballsy move for an ensign.

Please state the nature of the medical emergency: The EMH shows a remarkable awareness of what TV show he’s on by providing a lengthy list of possible reasons why Tuvok is suffering as he does: hallucination, telepathic communication from another race, repressed memory, or momentary contact with a parallel reality. “Take your pick,” he adds, “the universe is such a strange place.”

Forever an ensign: Kim verifies that there’s nothing strange about the nebula, and also confirms that it’s not even the same type of nebula as the Azure. It may look the same visually, but not on sensors.

Everybody comes to Neelix’s: Apparently, Talaxians like to tell the story of where their food came from. (Tuvok is less than enthused at the notion, saying he would prefer not to hear the life history of his breakfast.) Neelix also creates a fruit juice that is, to Tuvok’s abject shock, drinkable. (I was disappointed that no one chalked up Tuvok’s hallucinations to drinking one of Neelix’s juices.)

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No sex, please, we’re Starfleet: Tuvok renders Rand unconscious so Janeway can take her uniform because, as he puts it, “Asking female officers for their clothing could lead to misunderstanding.”

Do it: “I’ve observed that Captain Sulu drinks a cup of tea each morning. I thought he might enjoy a Vulcan blend.”

“Oh, I see. Trying to make lieutenant in your first month? I wish I’d have thought of that when I was your age. Took me three years just to make ensign.”

“I assure you I have no ulterior motive.”

“Whatever you say, Ensign. See you on the bridge.”

“You’ve never brought me tea.”

Tuvok explaining to Rand what he’s preparing in the mess hall, Rand teasing him about it, and Janeway doing likewise at the very end.

Star Trek: Voyager, Flashback
Anything goes in Beta Quadrant, am I right?

Welcome aboard: The big guests, obviously are George Takei as Sulu and Grace Lee Whitney as Rand, reprising the roles they played in the original series, as well as the TOS films. Also back from the Excelsior crew in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country alongside Sulu and Rand are Jeremy Roberts as Valtane and Boris Lee Krutonog as Lojur. To add to the awesome, Michael Ansara puts in an appearance as Kang, having previously played the role in the original series’ “Day of the Dove” and DS9’s “Blood Oath.”

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Trivial matters: Unlike “Trials and Tribble-ations,” Voyager’s tribute to the 30th anniversary was able to be aired only a few days after the actual 30th anniversary. The DS9 episode required more prep time and more post-production time, so it aired two months later. (DS9’s season also started later than Voyager’s, as the latter show was on a network instead of syndicated.)

The only “main” characters from TOS who weren’t in “The Trouble with Tribbles” were George Takei, Grace Lee Whitney, and Majel Barrett, so they weren’t in “Trials and Tribble-ations,” either. This was made up for by the former two appearing in this episode. Barrett was not at all involved in either episode, but given her recurring appearances both as the voice of Starfleet computers and as Lwaxana Troi, it was probably not considered urgent to get her in there. (Having said that, plenty of pieces of tie-in fiction have Dr. Christine Chapel as the chief medical officer of the Excelsior.)

The original notion for this story was to have it be a flashback to Janeway’s earliest days in Starfleet and meeting Tuvok for the first time, but when it was decided to make it part of the 30th anniversary, it was adjusted to Tuvok on the Excelsior. It was already established in “Alliances” that Tuvok was around during the Khitomer Conference and spoke out against a Federation-Klingon alliance.

A scene was written for Nichelle Nichols as Uhura, but it was only a brief cameo and Nichols declined.

Director David Livingston made an effort to re-create as many of the camera angles from Star Trek VI as possible. They couldn’t simply insert the footage from the movie into the episode, as five years later everyone looked different, so the scene with the Excelsior being struck with the subspace shockwave had to be reshot. We learn that the tea Sulu was drinking in that scene was actually prepared by Tuvok.

Captain Sulu Excelsior tea

Several novels and comics have been published featuring Captain Sulu on the Excelsior, with Rand, Valtane, and Lojur all present, though there was no consistency in terms of the rest of the crew across the Star Trek VI novelization by J.M. Dillard, Peter David’s The Captain’s Daughter, L.A. Graf’s War Dragons, Denny Martin Flynn’s The Fearful Summons, the Captain Sulu Adventures audios, etc., all of which predated “Flashback.” Following this episode, there have only been two Excelsior novels: Forged in Fire and The Sundered, both by Andy Mangels & Michael A. Martin, though Captain Sulu has appeared in several other novels and stories as well.

The tense camaraderie between Sulu and Kang is given its origins in the aforementioned Forged in Fire, which features not just those two, but also Kor, Koloth, and Curzon Dax.

With this appearance, Michael Ansara joined a select group of actors who played the same role on three different Trek series, and the only one for whom one of the three wasn’t TNG. The others are Jonathan Frakes (William Riker), Armin Shimerman (Quark), John deLancie (Q), and Richard Poe (Evek).

The Azure Nebula plays a critical role in David Mack’s Destiny trilogy.

Like “Trials and Tribble-ations,” this episode was novelized by Diane Carey, who also included a larger role for the rest of the Voyager crew.

This episode fails to explain how Valtane could have died prior to the Excelsior’s joining the Enterprise at Khitomer in Star Trek VI’s climax when the character was clearly seen with the rest of Excelsior’s bridge crew at the end of the film.

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Remember our story, Tuvok. He was always dead. We just stick to our story and Starfleet's got nothing on us.

Set a course for home: “Perhaps you can be nostalgic for both of us.” This episode tries hard, it really does, but ultimately it comes across as yet another tiresome technobabble episode. There are some decent insights into Tuvok here, but what promises to be a look at a childhood memory instead turns out to be some silly technobabble virus that has nothing to do with Tuvok.

In fact, it has nothing to do with anybody. Once it becomes clear that it relates to Valtane, there’s a chance it might provide some insight into Valtane, perhaps, make his death meaningful, but that falls through as well.

George Takei has some good moments where he justifies his not following orders to Tuvok, though that too is a missed opportunity. There was a line in the script of Star Trek VI that was in both the novelization by J.M. Dillard and the comic book adaptation by Peter David that was one of the best lines in the script, and sadly got cut. Sulu says that he always hoped that if he was ever given the choice between betraying his friends and betraying his country that he’d have the guts to betray his country. I remember when I watched this episode in 1996, I was waiting for them to use the line, and was disappointed that Brannon Braga failed to do so. It would’ve been the perfect thing to say to Tuvok when he objected to Excelsior’s course of action.

Tim Russ isn’t at his best here, as his priggish younger self isn’t sufficiently differentiated from his priggish older self to be effective. We should see a noticeable difference between the 23rd century Tuvok and the 24th century one, but the superior attitude Tuvok gives to Valtane on Excelsior is exactly the same attitude he gives to Neelix on Voyager. And his bug-eyed portrayal of the seizures is just comically absurd. Russ does dry wit better than anyone this side of Leonard Nimoy, but that’s the only mode he’s comfortable in.

It’s a noble effort, but it feels meaningless at best, annoying at worst—particularly Janeway’s insufferably self-righteous look back at Kirk and Sulu’s heyday. Once the initial nostalgia hit wears off, there’s nothing to it, the solution coming out of the EMH in sickbay discovering one bit of made-up science that can stop the other bit of made-up science, which drains all the tension out of it, exacerbated by the actual culprit being something utterly irrelevant to the characters.

But it is fun to see Sulu in the center seat again…

Warp factor rating: 5


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DougL
10 years ago

Oh, this is why I didn’t really remember the ep, or whether it was linked with the 30th anniversary. While DS9 was so wonderful this is so meh that it just blends into all of the Voyager meh episodes.

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10 years ago

This episode is a great example why I do a double-take when folks trash Enterprise – my normal response is did you ever watch Voyager?

DemetriosX
10 years ago

I must have seen this episode, but I have absolutely zero recollection of it. I kind of remember some Voyager episodes and this one doesn’t sound too terrible, but there’s just nothing there.

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Eduardo Jencarelli
10 years ago

You forgot a detail on the Trivial Matters section. Flashback was actually written and produced during the second season. It was postponed and it aired as part of season 3, alongside Basics-Part II, False Profits and Sacred Ground.

While, there’s an enjoyable moment here and there, this is definitely a step-down from Trials and Tribble-ations.

Also, Grace Lee Whitney is absolutely dreadful as Rand. It’s as Ira Behr himself said on the STVI Blu-Ray commentary. The Excelsior crew looks like a bunch of washouts, and Sulu got stuck with them.

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Rancho Unicorno
10 years ago

I’ve always put off watching Voyager, preferring yet another rewatch of TNG or DS9 or Jake and the Neverland Pirates. With the DS9 rewatch, I’m trying to stay no more than one episode ahead of krad. So, I decided to try Voyager to fill the gaps on my commute. I’m currently stalled out at the beginning of season 2.

I thought that jumping ahead a season might help. It didn’t. Someone please tell me it gets better. I know “the warp factor rating is meaningless”, but if this merits a 5, I’m not sure I can take the rest of the series.

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RobertX
10 years ago

The only thing I lament…is that Sulu and the Exselsior should have had a series. :(

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Eduardo Jencarelli
10 years ago

@5

This is a matter of personal preference, but even though there were plenty of forgettable episodes throughout the show, seasons 3 and 4 were definitely improvements over season 2.

Simply moving away from the Kazon and switching to computer animation made season 3 more palatable. Episodes like Future’s End, Before and After and Scorpion were worth it. It would never perform on DS9’s level, but it did improve on those first two seasons.

And, of course, season 4 had Seven of Nine, and the Borg. Despite the overuse, and the catsuit, she was one of the better characters, overall.

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Ashcom
10 years ago

Surely Marina Sirtis as Deanna Troi should be added to that list of 3 series characters (TNG, most of the Voyager episodes with Reg Barclay and the series finale of Enterprise)?

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

Another continuity error between ST VI and “Flashback”: In the movie, the Praxis explosion explicitly took place two months before the rest of the film (as stated by Spock at the start of his briefing to the rest of the crew), but the episode claims it was only a couple of days. But this can be rationalized as a flaw in Tuvok’s memory. Even Vulcan memory isn’t necessarily infallible, especially given all the neurological insults that Tuvok was subjected to over the years.

This is a case where I would emphatically recommend the novelization over the episode itself, because not only does Diane Carey add a nice Kes subplot (more Kes is always good), but she changes the ending so that it’s more than just a technobabble fix and has some real emotional weight for Janeway.

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10 years ago

Wait, this is all happening in Tuvok’s mind, but they have to knock out ‘Rand’ to steal a uniform for ‘Janeway’? His mind is strong enough to knock out an imaginary person, steal imaginary clothes and dress another imaginary person in them, but not strong enough to just change the look of mindmeld!Janeway’s uniform in the first place?!

Mind, I haven’t seen the episode – do they even try to explain this?

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shiznatikus
10 years ago

My wife and I recently watched all of Voyager on DVD (neither of us saw it when it aired), and it never occured to me this was trying the same thing as DS9. I just thought it was a stunt guest star opportunity, since it clearly wasn’t using original footage. Too bad it was such a forgettable episode…

For what it’s worth, though, I did like this show despite (or perhaps because of) its flaws.

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DougL
10 years ago

I enjoyed Voyager overall. It had quite a few junk episodes and quite a few meh ones, but I was still taken with some of the characters and enjoyed a few episodes. Every series has crappy episodes and meh ones, particularly in NA where we insist on having 20+ eps per season.

I could never get into Enterprise.

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Random22
10 years ago

For the aniversary special DS9 praised the Franchise and Kirk’s crew, Voyager criticized it. That really says it all as to why Ds9 was the better of the two shows. Bet if Kirk or Sisko were in command then Voyager would have been back in the Alpha Quadrant before the halfway point of Caretaker. Possibly with Neelix’s flayed hide mounted on the bow of the ship.

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James2
10 years ago

VOY frustrates the hell out of me to this day.

I’m nostalgic towards the series since it’s 24th Century Trek, which I grew up with…but it just has so many flaws and squandered so many opportunities that it’s naueseating.

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Ashcom
10 years ago

I always think of Voyager as being a bit like an avant-garde jazz performance. It has some absolutely wonderful moments, but to get to them you have to sit through a whole load of stuff that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I always felt it hamstrung itself by trying to follow a similar pattern to TOS and TNG (the ships crew on an ongoing mission travelling around and encountering lots of strange situations) but just doing them not quite so well. The Kazon are a prime example of this, being, as they are, essentially slightly crap Klingons. Also, it was competing with both DS9 and Babylon 5, and during its run both Farscape and Stargate SG1 came along, so in that climate it needed to be something special to compete, and it just wasn’t.

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James2
10 years ago

Hence the introduction of Seven of Nine and her huge…tracts of land. :)

John C. Bunnell
10 years ago

My own view is that Voyager was badly hamstrung at the outset by substandard world-building — as initially designed, the Delta Quadrant’s interstellar cultural landscape doesn’t make much if any sense. And if one took that setup as portrayed (at least insofar as my recollection goes; it’s been awhile), Janeway & Co. should have had no trouble whatsoever in eluding and/or prevailing over the locals in any serious conflict.

Things got somewhat better, eventually, but most of that “better” involved getting rid of problems the show had set up for itself in the first two or three seasons. Also, I am on record as being among those who found the initial characterization of Janeway very, very difficult to take (a problem I lay squarely on the writers and producers, not on Kate Mulgrew).

DanteHopkins
10 years ago

I always forgave the technobabble ending because of seeing Sulu on the Excelsior again. It was a nice peek at what was happening on the Excelsior during STVI. (And yes, I’m forced to admit despite my defense of technobabble in the past, Voyager took it and multiplied it by 70,000 light-years, rendering it nearly unbearable.) And of course, any chance to see Kang again is always welcome.

Thanks for doing this, krad. I know you’re not planning a Voyager rewatch, but I like that you’ve got categories for one. This was a fun week.

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mike's da man
10 years ago

I enjoyed Voyager over all but not all of the episodes were great. I never had a chance to get into DS9…is it really that good? has to be better than Enterprise

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Joe Pranevich
10 years ago

I know you aren’t planning a Voyager rewatch, but after this post I have to say I would enjoy one!

I did a rewatch of all Trek in order a few years back and collapsed from exhausted frustration in the 4th season or so of Voyager. I finished watching DS9 and never bothered with rewatching Enterprise (though I did enjoy the 3rd and 4th seasons quite a bit.)

Here’s to hoping you change your mind and we can have another entertaining krad rewatch after DS9!

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James2
10 years ago

DS9’s the best of the bunch as far as I’m concerned. It’s my favorite Trek, favorite sci-fi porgram (with SG-1 in a close second), and my favorite live-action show of all time.

Anyway, another key problem for me with VOY was that I’ve never agreeed with Janeway’s decision in “Caretaker”. Her first duty was to get her crew home and it was the wrong move.

That only Torres fought the decision was, in retrospect, a warning sign as to the bad characterization.

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RobinM
10 years ago

I’ve enjoyed this week very much I’m glad KRAD decided to have some fun with it. I remember watching it at the time and not realizing it was an anniversary episoed. I was just glad to see Kang, Sulu and Rand again. One thing always bugged me though why did they steal Rand’s clothes and arrest Janeway it’s a MEMORY not an actual time travel episode?

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TBonz
10 years ago

Not one of my favorites. Although I enjoyed Sulu’s appearance, Tuvok was a prig (not my favorite Vulcan either), and Rand was just awful. I remember the first time I watched it thinking, “When did she become such a bitch?”

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

As for the “why did they need to steal Rand’s uniform?” question, I think the conceit was that, since Tuvok’s mind was breaking down, the barriers between what he knew to be real and what he knew to be imaginary were breaking down, so his mind was unconsciously shaping the scenario as if they were really there. Like starting off in a lucid dream where you’re totally in control and then losing that control and being at the mercy of dream logic. To put it another way, they weren’t playing in god mode anymore and had to follow the rules of the game. It symbolized that Tuvok was losing control of his own mind.

Although, yes, it was also a very contrived way to put Janeway and Tuvok in “danger.”

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a-j
10 years ago

For information only, Sulu’s line about having the guts to betray his country rather than his friends is from EM Forster:

“If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country.”
What I Believe, 1938

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RichF
10 years ago

Regarding the comment about Michael Ansara and other actors crossing over Star Trek series and playing the same character each time: strictly speaking, Jonathan Frakes didn’t play William Riker in DS9; he played Tom. Of course this is a matter of interpretation since Tom is a transporter-created duplicate of Will so other than the name he is Will. Let’s put it this way: he didn’t play the same guy whom Picard called “Number One”.

Also, I liked one detail added in the novelization of Flashback. When Janeway tells Tuvok he never brought her tea, he replies that she would have preferred coffee and Vulcan coffee is poisonous to humans.

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Gilbetron
10 years ago

RichF: Indeed, Jonathan Frakes didn’t play William Riker on DS9. He *did*, however, play Will Riker on Voyager, in the second-season episode “Death Wish.” Thus he appeared as Will Riker on TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise (“These Are the Voyages”).

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10 years ago

Agree with everyone re: VOY’s deficiencies, not the least of which is the very premise of the series. Instead of stranding her entire crew in the Delta Quadrant, Janeway should have asked for a volunteer to stay behind in a shuttle and destroy the array after Voyager made the trip home.

I realize this would have created Farscape a few years early and set it in the ST Universe. I’m perfectly okay with that, considering what VOY turned out to be. (Although I do love Farscape just as it is.)

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

Keith, doesn’t Majel Barrett count as the actress who’s played the same role on the most different series? She’s played the Starfleet computer voice in every series and many of the movies. Just because it isn’t an onscreen character doesn’t mean it doesn’t count. Although I suppose you could quibble over whether different computers programmed with the same voice interface are actually the same character.

@32: The problem with the suggestion that Janeway should’ve left a bomb or a shuttle or whatever behind to blow the array after Voyager‘s crew saved their own hides is that the array was under active attack by the Kazon at the time. If Voyager hadn’t stayed around to protect the array from capture, the Kazon would’ve been able to stop any smaller ship or weapon left behind unattended.

Not to mention that Starfleet officers are not cowards who put saving their own hides above the good of others. Of course they wouldn’t run away while the Ocampa were still in danger.

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Bob Smoot
10 years ago

I loved the categories, KRAD. Well done!

I guess I’m the rare one who thinks VOY, DS9, and ENT are about equal in quality, and sit below TOS and TNG. I never really got into them during their original broadcasts although I did end up watching every episode eventually. I found each of those three series to be pleasant enough but rather hit or miss in terms of overall quality.

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McKay B
10 years ago

I love Voyager out of nostalgia, but I can’t deny that DS9 is way better to my adult sensibilities.

That being said, YES, Voyager does get significantly better in later seasons. It’s still hit-or-miss … but the rare “hits” finally become really good episodes of Trek.

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

@35: Funny, I think its early seasons are generally stronger. Season 6 was the weakest.

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Thomas B.
10 years ago

I thought this was a great nod to long Vulcan lifespans, but it made me wonder, how long do Vulcans have to serve before they’re allowed to be a captain?

I guess if you promoted them at the same rate as humans, Starfleet would quickly become run entirely by Vulcans.

If they’re held back, though, Starfleet is basically engaging in systemic discrimination against other species.

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

@37: There’s this odd perception in Trek fandom that captaincy is the expected and standard culmination of every Starfleet career. In fact, since every commanding officer is responsible for a large number of junior officers, only a minority of officers in any military service will ever reach command rank. There just aren’t enough openings to make everyone a captain. So most officers will remain junior officers throughout their careers.

Not to mention that command is a particular specialty, just as science or engineering or security is. If you’re on the command track, then the ultimate goal you’re aiming for is starship or starbase command, or perhaps the admiralty. But if you’re in sciences, the ultimate career goal is to be a chief science officer; if you’re in engineering, the ultimate career goal is to be a chief engineer; and so on. And of course for every chief there have to be a larger number of subordinates, so only a minority of engineering officers will ever be chiefs.

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Jack2211
10 years ago

Am I the only one bothered by the idea of alien coffee? Vulcan coffee? Klingon coffee?

Tea, sure, it’s a description of brewed leaves or roots or whatever. Descriptions of dishes, like stews or soups, I suppose. But why would alien cultures have their own versions of something so specific? If it’s just a name humans use for it (it’s hot and black, so we’ll call it coffee), sure…

The way Voyager (and later Berman trek generally) made alien cultures so boring really bugged me. Look, it’s a Katerian apple. Look, it’s Laurentian chocolate mouse… whereas in early TOS, you really do get a sense of a vast, mysterious, endlessly fascinating universe of countless wonders… (Mainly because they don’t spoil things with dates and banal details)

BTW, there was an article on rogerebert.com about how Voyager is underrated and is sophisticated in its portrayal of gender roles. Maybe, but the stories were always so frustrating because there were rarely real-seeming stakes, everything (sets, makeup, characters, plots) felt so bland, familiar and recycled and technobabble always saved the day (we get it, “do your science homework, kids and you can reconfigure your toaster to emit an inverse tachyon pulse and save a drowning kitten!”)

ChristopherLBennett
10 years ago

@39: Actually Kaferian apples were from the second pilot of TOS back in 1965. TOS also gave us both Saurian and Antarean brandy, even though technically something can’t be brandy unless it’s distilled from grapes (the correct term would be eau de vie). And let’s not forget how many episodes of TOS were built around Earth-duplicate alien cultures so that the show could save money by reusing costumes and set pieces from the Desilu vaults and shoot on the backlot. “Miri”‘s 1960s Earth, space Romans, space gangsters, space Nazis, two different groups of Greek-based aliens, not to mention all the illusion-creating aliens that drew on the crew’s memories of Earthly things.

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Jack2211
10 years ago

Actually, I’ve watched it all too. No need for the condescension. I made up both names (although Naomi Wildman was half ktarian) as I couldn’t recall specific TNG/DS9/Voyager examples without having to Google. I do remember noticing it more and more and it just bugged me. Yes, TOS did it (Tiberian bats, Regulan blood worms, Romulan Ale, Saurian Brandy etc, etc). But the lack of imagination was especially noticeable in the mid 90s, when they started filling the future timeline with many more specific dates and references (Geordi went to Zefrem Cochrane high school). There were some story reasons, sure, but often it all just ended up seeming bland and the Trek universe felt like it was getting smaller and smaller.

I still think that TOS, even with the worst of the low-budget ’60s hokiness and the parallel worlds story device presented a much more interesting universe (and I’m talking as much about what we didn’t see as what we did) than what was presented (directly — goddamn those foreheads, wall sconces and bordered carpets — and, moreover, through dialogue) during the Voyager era.

DS9’s universe was more interesting and its aliens were often more alien — heck, there was a great running bit where Kira and Dax talked about dating the guy with the transparent skull. Just dialogue, but a clever way to make the future seem a little less like 1996.

Voyager just always felt more stale and engineered than its predecessors.

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Scavenger
10 years ago

FTR: I never liked the concept of “Klingon coffee” either…felt too..not sci-fi (though things like Vulcan tea or Romulan Ale never bugged me)

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Bet if Kirk or Sisko were in command then Voyager would have been back in the Alpha Quadrant before the halfway point of Caretaker.”

AH..but you miss the point of Voyager, as revelead in the 2nd Season….
They encounter a chevy truck in space, and no one knows what it is, until finaly Paris speaks up because he watches old timey movies.

Kirk and Spock would know a truck when they see one. Picard and Riker would know. Sisko would know. Kira would likely say it looks like some bajoran wheeled cargo carrying vehicle, because it’s not like no one has wheeled vehicles anymore or every planet in the galaxy. Janeway? Chakotay? No idea what it is.

See, Voyager didn’t “accidently get lost”. It’s secret mission was to fill it with the dumbest people in Starfleet and send it off to to get rid of these people.

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David Sim
8 years ago

George Takei would have left Shatner to the mercy of the Klingons. Did Neelix pour Tuvok’s juice from a vase? 12: what is NA? 23: Arturis also thought Janeway made the wrong choice regarding the Borg war with Species 8472  in Hope and Fear. It doesn’t seem very likely now that KRAD will review Voyager, because there’s a scarcity of unbiased opinion online when it comes to that show which should be rectified.

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Christopher Dalton
8 years ago

Paramount had a perfect opportunity to do a sequel series to the original with Captain Hikaru Sulu and the crew of the starship Excelsior – i.e. Star Trek-Excelsior.

That would have been awesome to have seen that happen.

Instead, they wasted that chance and chose to go a different route with drek like TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.

Not a smart artistic decision on the parts of the executives at Paramount Pictures.

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Storm Boy
7 years ago

This is slightly off topic, but also seems like the best place to post this question – Will there by any chance ever be a Star Trek Voyager Rewatch? I know that Krad keeps an eye on these comments, so I suppose this is somewhat aimed in his direction. Voyager is considered by many fans to be a flawed undertaking (and the ugly cousin you run into at family reunions) in the Star Trek universe, but it is not without any redeeming qualities – and not without some standout episodes. If there is a chance, please do a Voyager Rewatch. Thanks. :)

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Storm Boy
7 years ago

Wow, thanks for the quick response. Does this mean that you are not willing or not able? :) Just curious. I knew before that many fans preferred other shows, but from reading the comment threads of the Star Trek Rewatch entries, I have become more aware of just how much Voyager has become a pariah. Thanks for all of your entertaining Star Trek rewatch posts. I discovered the TNG entries only a couple of months ago and have been quietly playing along ever since. (I am currently getting to the end of ST-TNG Season 4.)

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Storm Boy
7 years ago

Krad: Thanks for taking the time to respond and also for your candor. I have mixed feelings about Voyager myself. It has great production values and a lot of the episodes are written in a style similar to many of the latter TNG episodes, but they got the tone wrong. They often tried to make every episode a mini-movie, meaning that every drama was end-of-the-world drama that required some sort of quick technobabble and button pushing to save the day and then return the ship to its pristine original condition… and they got the tone wrong. Instead of rooting for these characters, I found myself being annoyed quite a bit of the time. I never get annoyed by Picard or Data (no matter how bad the episode), but I sometimes have a hard time rooting for Janeway or any of my fave crew members. And if the episode is overly contrived or poorly written, I lose my patience real quick… I get upset mainly because they wasted so many opportunities and made so many poor choices, when the show could have been so good. Sorry for the rambling rant. :) I guess I was just hoping to continue the Rewatch fun. Thanks again.

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5 years ago

What I seriously appreciate most is that KRAD made these categories, then when Gre’thor froze over and he started the Voyager rewatch after all, he stuck to them. That’s dedication.

And yeah, this was a fun little episode, but it barely made any sense.

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5 years ago

IMO seeing Captain Sulu made it all worthwhile.

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GarretH
5 years ago

I liked this episode for the Sulu/ST VI moments but that’s about it.  But they also felt wasted for what could have been a better episode if more consideration was actually put into it, and also contributed to the big “what if?” of George Takei getting his own Excelsior series that I recall him campaigning for.  If CBS All Access existed back then I think there would have been a better shot of that happening or at least getting a Short Trek.  Hell, he’s still alive and healthy so it would be nice to have him back on any of the various series in some capacity.

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GarretH
5 years ago

Oh, and I never realized before that the ST VI non-FX scenes in “Flashback” weren’t just edited into this episode but were actually re-filmed!  

This clip shows a really good direct comparison between the film and episode versions of the same scenes:

https://youtu.be/nAKRe_gAAFk

SaintTherese
4 years ago

@47 Never say never. :)

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GarretH
4 years ago

@56/Krad: So because you ended up being more open-minded than you originally anticipated, is there now a chance you’d do a rewatch of ENT?  Perhaps at least for the sake of being complete by covering the last remaining Trek series?  It’s only a relatively short 98 hours of viewing time (actually a lot less because there’s no commercials)! ;)

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David Sim
4 years ago

54: On YouTube, they say the differences are because one is Tuvok’s potted recollection of what happened and the other is a straight depiction of what actually happened.

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